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Thread: Employers to warn staff over industrial action

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    Employers to warn staff over industrial action

    EMPLOYERS ARE set to warn staff that the proposed nationwide strikes at the end of the month are "entirely inappropriate and unacceptable" and employees taking part will have pay docked and face possible disciplinary action.

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    Employers vow to dock pay of striking workers

    WORKERS who take part in a threatened campaign of national strikes from March 30 will have their pay docked.

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    What a stupid question, no they should give them double time.

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    Dock their pay if they so wish, end of, they are not slaves.
    Why should anyone face possible disciplinary action unless they are to be treated as slaves.
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    Strikes at a time like this are sheer lunacy. They constitute an order to sail right towards the iceberg at full speed ahead. It borders on economic treason and biting the hand that feeds. We cannot afford any pay-increases, and that the unions do not recognise this reality underlines once more that they are either ignorant, indifferent or both - to the staggering scale of the collapse in the economy. We cannot afford pay increases, and for them to claim this problem only applies to certain parts of the economy to the exclusion of others is nonsense when sectors of our economy depend on each other, especially with respect to consumer spending. It's frightening that a quarter of us claim thay would vote Labour when that party is publicly opposed to public-sector pay cuts. We need to rein in spending. If we don't, the IMF will be running this country and along lines that will make the govt seem like Santa Claus in comparison.

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    • [FONT=Arial]Employer enters into agreement with staff[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Arial]Employer decides not to honour some or all of that agreement[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Arial]Employer responds to threat of strike action by pointing to the importance of abiding by “in-house” agreement (also while making veiled threats about disciplinary action and using scab labour and making appeals to the national good)[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial] [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial]Just a teeny-weeny bit hypocritical? Two other points… Firstly, I don’t think striking workers expect not to have their pay docked. Secondly, can anyone give us an example of where a trade union has actually agreed in an in-house agreement that precludes them from taking legal industrial action in response to an employer’s own breach of an undertaking?[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial] [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial]IBEC are some spoofers. But as Future Taoiseach demonstrates, there will always be some who swallow.[/FONT]

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Strikes at a time like this are sheer lunacy. They constitute an order to sail right towards the iceberg at full speed ahead. It borders on economic treason and biting the hand that feeds. We cannot afford any pay-increases, and that the unions do not recognise this reality underlines once more that they are either ignorant, indifferent or both - to the staggering scale of the collapse in the economy. We cannot afford pay increases, and for them to claim this problem only applies to certain parts of the economy to the exclusion of others is nonsense when sectors of our economy depend on each other, especially with respect to consumer spending. It's frightening that a quarter of us claim thay would vote Labour when that party is publicly opposed to public-sector pay cuts. We need to rein in spending. If we don't, the IMF will be running this country and along lines that will make the govt seem like Santa Claus in comparison.
    Am I missing some element of your logic here. You wish for consumer spending but also wish to rein in spending ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Strikes at a time like this are sheer lunacy. They constitute an order to sail right towards the iceberg at full speed ahead. It borders on economic treason and biting the hand that feeds. We cannot afford any pay-increases, and that the unions do not recognise this reality underlines once more that they are either ignorant, indifferent or both - to the staggering scale of the collapse in the economy. We cannot afford pay increases, and for them to claim this problem only applies to certain parts of the economy to the exclusion of others is nonsense when sectors of our economy depend on each other, especially with respect to consumer spending. It's frightening that a quarter of us claim thay would vote Labour when that party is publicly opposed to public-sector pay cuts. We need to rein in spending. If we don't, the IMF will be running this country and along lines that will make the govt seem like Santa Claus in comparison.
    A lot of this is reaction to the antics at the top of the heap.
    ie "Like omigod my wages have been cut to 1 million euro I feel the pain too!"
    Its only a chat, we ain't the world council.
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    [COLOR="Red"]It was dignified, restrained and effective.[/COLOR]Doesn't Bertie deserve the same scorn. No shouting, no abuse, no agression just a relentless slow clap whenever he speaks in public would be enough to end that man's presidential fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furze View Post
    Am I missing some element of your logic here. You wish for consumer spending but also wish to rein in spending ?
    When you take account of the fact that money is taken from the private-sector to pay the public sector via the taxation-system, the net effect on the economy is arguably negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libero View Post
    • [FONT=Arial]Employer enters into agreement with staff[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Arial]Employer decides not to honour some or all of that agreement[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Arial]Employer responds to threat of strike action by pointing to the importance of abiding by “in-house” agreement (also while making veiled threats about disciplinary action and using scab labour and making appeals to the national good)[/FONT]
    You missed a couple of bullet points there. If I may:

    • Employer enters into agreement with staff
    • Economic situation deteriorates to the point where pay increases might threaten the existence of the business
    • Employer decides not to honour some or all of that agreement
    • Union leaders throw a hissy fit to keep the contributions coming in
    • Employer responds to threat of strike action by pointing to the importance of abiding by “in-house” agreement (also while making veiled threats about disciplinary action and using scab labour and making appeals to the national good)
    • Deluded individuals think that the great communist revolution is finally upon us and start posting about it on p.ie


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