I have quoted from
The LA Times/China Post
Washington Post
Human Rights Watch
Transparency International
Freedom House
The Bertlesman Foundation
The fact that some on here call these "right wing hacks" says it all about their blinkered view of Chavez. I'm off. There is little point in debating with people who refuse to post even one link of excerpt to back up what they say.
"The Egyptians could run to Egypt, the Syrians into Syria. The only place we could run was into the sea, and before we did that we might as well fight.” -Golda Meir
You are one of the most disingenuous posters I've come across here. When someone makes a specific point that being democratically elected doesn't stop you being a dictator, in a thread about Chavez, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that effectively,he is implying that Chavez is a dictator. You may not have said the words, but we know what you meant, either that or you made a spurious point for the sake of it.Originally Posted by Hazlitt
And why is such a law in place? Well because Chavez put price controls in place on food. And why did he do this? To try and curb inflation? And what happened? It created food shortages and inflation went up anyway ( now highest in Latin America now)! And why did inflation go up? Because Chavez can't stop spending the state's (ever decreasing) money to meet Venesuela's (ever increasing) public sector pay bill and to pay for the "social programmes" used to buy the public's support (which is falling anyway).
GO CHAVEZ!
A poster of some consequence...
LA Times/ Washinton Posts. Right wing US publications. No credibility there.
HRW's findings on Venezuela were recently discredited by more than 100 scholars on Venezuela, including Americans.
Transparency International- Oh you mean the straw poll of rich businessmen> Oh yes, very credible!
FH/ BF- Right-wing think tanks, the former funded by the US government, I wouldn't even dignify their makey uppy reports with a response.
such a law is in place because the right wing have continually attempted to destablise venezuela from within , whether by locking out workers en masse as part of their " national strike" , cutting off oil production , enagaging in coups , boycotting elections , sponsoring Colombian paramilitary terrorism against the peasantry to prevent land dsitribution , sabotaging the oil infrastructure and refusing to either produce or distribute foodstuffs for the internal market .
The refusal to produce or distribute food from the sectors of society which controlled food production and distribution - the capitalist sector - created food shortages , its was explicitly intended to do just that . Now their power to do this is being taken away from them .
Subsidised food along with free healthcare and education has been the basis of the Bolivarian revolution . Hitting that at its source has been a key tactic of the neo liberal counter revolution ( along with the murder of cuban doctors and teachers engaging in the mission programmes) . The first measure chavez introduced was to ensure the food wasnt exported but retained for internl consumption . The neo liberals responded to that measure by refusing to produce or distribute it . They are now getting their response in an unmistakable fashion and their power to commit deliberate internal sabotage - treason - is being removed . They can either comply or face exporpriation .
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A syndicated opinion piece that does not claim that Chavez is a Dictator
A piece that doesn't claim he is a dictator either just lampoons his handling of the State Oil company and is a 2 yr old editorial opinion piece as opposed to a hard fact expose based on investigative journalism.
Doesn't claim Venezuela is a dictatorship or that Chavez is a dictator.
Please point to where it does,
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In May 2008, TI attracted controversy by claiming in a report entitled Promoting Revenue Transparency that Venezuela's state-owned oil firm PDVSA had failed to disclose basic financial information such as their revenues and how much royalties they paid, and had not produced properly audited accounts. As a result, the report gave PDVSA the lowest possible ranking in assessing the oil companies in 42 different countries, and ranking them according to whether they were of high, medium or low transparency. In fact, the report was incorrect, and all the data from PDVSA was publicly available, leading to claims of a bias by TI against the Venezuelan government.
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Is a RW think tank, nobody disputes this. Why do you need proof?
All you have done is posted a lot of links to arbitrary disjointed stories that in no way validates your claim that Chavez is a dictator or that he controls the media in Venezuela.
This is the type of disingenuous waffle and self-serving conclusions (or non conclusions in this case) that has contributed to you making an absolute fool of yourself on this thread.
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'Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.'
Inigo Montoya.
these dictator accusations and insinuations are truly the pits . Laughable .
For example those who dont accuse him directly of being a dictator resort to - well hitler won an election... Hitler triumphed in one election and then promptly banned them . Chavez has gone to the polls 15 times since first being elected in 98 . And will continue going to the polls .
Dictators dont make a pledge and stick to it for ten years that theyll be on live televiion every friday afternoon to answer questions drectly from the people themselves . Dictators dont print articles of the countries constitution on everything from food wrappers , nappy wrappers , litres of milk and beans to enable the countrys populace to know what their rights are under the constitution . Dictators respond to coup attempts with massacres . Chavez responded to his abduction by pointing out he doesnt even have the power to declare a state of emergency . HE just told everyone to calm down and go home . Hardly anyone was even punished judicially , a few lost their jobs . Not once has chavez ever stepped outside the confines of the countrys constitution . Hes upheld it rigourously . And upheld it in the face of treason , sabotage , murder , repression and rebellion .If there were more chavez' in this world it would be a far far better place .
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Yes in all of your 42-post history...You're just slightly paranoid aren't you! I explained the point I was making yet you're STILL going on about it trying in vain to prove I meant something different. Sad. Start making some contributory posts to the forum and quit this pathetic nonsense.
Hahaha, there you go again still carrying on in vain on this crazy little campaign. I've posted references to the statement made by Leftfemme I was REPLYING to - I didn't make any statement out of thin air. But if you want to carry on your crazy loony road of "shadow conspiracies" etc of "hidden meanings" in messages you just carry on hahaha.
Hahahaha, yes that's right, I made a "spurious point for the sake of it"
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This seems to be the most substantial post yet in this flame-bait excuse of a thread. Even if we are for or against the Bolivian revolution, can we not agree that Chavez at the moment faces dire economical straits?
Maybe we should do the same here for Michael Smurfit not paying his taxes.
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