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    Chavez speaking openly and honestly about the failures to date of the Bolivarian project


    “The ’99 constitution was infiltrated by some counterrevolutionary interests, let’s remember the case of Luis Miquilena and Alfredo Pena.“In those days I had to firmly oppose many articles that attempted to leave things like they were.” (Miquilena was a key adviser to Chavez in the early stages of his presidency. Pena was elected mayor of Caracas as a Chavez supporter. Both were moderates who joined the pro-capitalist opposition to Chavez when he introduced laws that affected the interests of the rich in 2001. At that time Chavez was reluctant to even call himself a socialist .

    Both these advisors helped ensure that the initial economic policies of the Chavez government did not break decisively with a neoliberalist ethos .
    “We would have to revise the economic framework” of the constitution, We have made economic achievements, but we have hardly impacted on the redistribution of the national rent. The poorest class has improved its income due to increases in the minimum salary and the provision of free health care, free schooling. That undoubtedly has been a relief, but the upper classes have also benefited from economic growth much more so.

    “The gap between an enriched elite and the lower classes, instead of reducing, has grown. We have to revise this. For example, those from the banking sector have been the ones who have made the most money, for whom growth in the first semester of 2006 is 40%, that is billions of bolivares in profits, that has to be revised.

    “In the political sphere, we need to revise the revolutionary democracy, elevate to the constitutional level the issue of power for the people, the communal councils, direct democracy and defence of the state.
    “Many people told me, during the coup, that I should decree an emergency, but I don’t have the faculty, not even to intervene on a television station. An emergency does not give the state the ability to take extraordinary measures like were necessary on April 11 2002, when uniformed generals came out on television stations calling for a rebellion in support of the coup.”

    On the housing crisis facing the millions of poor living in vast barrios that strecth for mile upon mile without proper sanitation , facilities or electricity

    We will shortly launch a new mission, named Villanueva (New Home). For example in Catia we have already located an area that is occupied by large sheds that we are going to acquire. If they belong to the state then occupy them; if they are private, expropriate them.”
    “We will knock down those sheds and we will construct small buildings. We will bring down an entire neighbourhood. This is one part of Mission Villanueva. The second will be satellite cities, like the one we want to do in Maracaibo, facilitating its inhabitants with public transport."

    That was back in 2006 . Those projects are now well underway .excess from Venezuela’s foreign reserves is now being used to invest in a decade-long $2 billion per year housing plan.

    chavez addresses these issues week in week out on television and radio shows where the ordinary citizenry themselves are permitted address him directly with their problems and frustrations . No other leader on this earth does that , not one. Most certainly no dictator would even entertain the notion .

    Between 1998 and 2005, the number of local cooperatives in Venezuela went from under 1000 to more than 100,000. Thats a radical transformation of society . But that transformation has been continually arrested by the bitter divisions within the chavez camp - the left wing of the PSUV and the right wing who oppose fundamental and radical change and seek to retain as much of the old order as possible under a chavista banner . It was that division which caused the abstention of almost 3 million votes from the chavez camp which saw the opposition squeak a hairs breadth victory in the referendum last year and temporarily defeat the fundmetal changes to venezuelan society Chavez had presented to the public . Thankfully the latest referendum has been a further step forward . Ultimately there will be a decisive battle between the left and right within the chavez camp , and the latest referendum victory was a key step in that direction .

    Its within the chavez camp the only actual opposition even exists . The non psuv opposition either engages in coups , calls for assassinations , continually refuses to recognise the result of elections and even refuses to participate in them . Thats not a parliamentary opposition , thats simply a nest of treasonous dogs . A real dictator would have eliminated them a long time ago but chavez has never strayed outside the confines of the constitution no matter what the provocation .
    the talk of dictatorship is ridicul;ous . It flies in the face of the facts and emanates solely from the mouthpieces of those who stand to lose most from the transformationof venezuelan society into a participatory and socialist democracy .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    LMAO! Sure I have! Sure! I'll leave it up to any objective observer to decide who provided the facts and who provided the hyperbole.
    thats an absolutely pathetic response too .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftfemme22 View Post
    You really can't help yourself can you.
    Heres the rub, Chavez is not a dictator, he is a democratically elected president. His mandate is validated and is considered such by the entire world with the blessing of no less a dignitary than Jimmy Carter.

    He does not control the media or oppress anybody who speaks out against him.

    The Media in Venezuela routinely attacks him.

    There's two of your claims completely rubbished, again, to which you have no answers nor have even bothered to acknowledge.

    You have provided no facts disputing either of these at all.
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    I have provided links to HRW, Freedom House, Bertelsman Foundation and TI as well as the Los Angeles Times and Washington Post. I could have added the World Bank and the US State Dept but seen as you rubbished every organisation I posted I doubted the last 2 would get a fair hearing from you. You have posted nothing except about Jimuh Carter saying the election was fair, (no link mind) which I said it was but he didn't mention the whole sordid lead up to it. You have provided nothing. Nada. Nic. Rien. Like I said objective observers will have little trouble making up their own mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    I have provided links to HRW, Freedom House, Bertelsman Foundation and TI as well as the Los Angeles Times and Washington Post. I could have added the World Bank and the US State Dept but seen as you rubbished every organisation I posted I doubted the last 2 would get a fair hearing from you. You have posted nothing except about Jimuh Carter saying the election was fair, (no link mind) which I said it was but he didn't mention the whole sordid lead up to it. You have provided nothing. Nada. Nic. Rien. Like I said objective observers will have little trouble making up their own mind.
    Not one of those links validate your claim that Chavez is a dictator. The ones that covertly allude to such an allegation are well known mouth pieces of the neo-liberal right. Not impartial observers at all. You are simply parroting their spin in the face of the overwhelming facts on the ground in Venezuela itself.

    Chavez is not a dictator.

    He does not control the media.

    Like I said, Chavez scares the shit out of Washington, hence all the negative press.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftfemme22 View Post
    Not one of those links validate your claim that Chavez is a dictator. The ones that covertly allude to such an allegation are well known mouth pieces of the neo-liberal right. Not impartial observers at all. You are simply parroting their spin in the face of the overwhelming facts on the ground in Venezuela itself.

    Chavez is not a dictator.

    He does not control the media.

    Like I said, Chavez scares the shit out of Washington, hence all the negative press.
    *sigh* Whatever. There really is little point in discussing this is if every time I advance proof it is dismissed out of hand. You are obviously smart but boy are you blinkered!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leftfemme22 View Post
    Not one of those links validate your claim that Chavez is a dictator. The ones that covertly allude to such an allegation are well known mouth pieces of the neo-liberal right. Not impartial observers at all. You are simply parroting their spin in the face of the overwhelming facts on the ground in Venezuela itself.

    Chavez is not a dictator.

    He does not control the media.

    Like I said, Chavez scares the shit out of Washington, hence all the negative press.
    hes deliberately winding you up i fear , trolling . Its all look at me , look how outrageously right wing i am . Attention seeking . Posting links to aggressively right wing american newspapers and foundations , especuially miami based ones , patently is not a serious attempt to enagge in debate . Might i suggest you just ignore the troll .

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    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard View Post
    hes deliberately winding you up i fear , trolling . Its all look at me , look how outrageously right wing i am . Attention seeking . Posting links to aggressively right wing american newspapers and foundations , especuially miami based ones , patently is not a serious attempt to enagge in debate . Might i suggest you just ignore the troll .
    Agreed.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    *sigh* Whatever. There really is little point in discussing this is if every time I advance proof it is dismissed out of hand. You are obviously smart but boy are you blinkered!
    You haven't offered any proof. A few opinion pieces from right wing hacks, but no proof. Then again considering the proof is to the contrary, finding proof to advance your wing nut claims will prove illusory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merle haggard View Post
    . Posting links to aggressively right wing american newspapers and foundations , especuially miami based ones , .
    Such as? Please give me the names of these.
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    anyway the smurfitt kappa expropriation due its flagrant lawbreaking is only one of many coming down the line

    just a few days ago ( wed 4th) in a live televsied cabinet meeting - imagine the very notion of that here , makes the rubbish posted earlier about a lack of trasnparency in venezuela absolutely ludicrous - president Chavez announced the nationalisation of US-based multinational Cargill, a company in the food sector which has systematically refused to produce rice for the regulated price market. He also warned Empresas Polar that their food processing companies would also be expropriated unless they respected the decrees which regulate the food industry and at the same time he instructed the Minister of Agriculture to get the expropriation decrees ready for the rest of the rice producing companies.

    In Defence of Marxism - Venezuela: Food multinational Cargill nationalised

    Ha !! The internal sabotage of these companies who attempted to drive back the revolution by refusing to produce food for the internal market is being tackled head on . The revolution is not stopping and has only been slowed . Thanks to constitutional changes Chavez will have the time he needs to get the job done and transform Venezuela irreversibly .

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