THE IDEAS CAMPAIGN - Campaign to harness ideas for economic growth

[Barmey]

The only valid argument I've read against the campaign thus far is that it is difficult to see why people would give up their potential ideas freely. As the terms and conditions of the site expressly say, you waive your intellectual property rights over the idea once you press send. This is especially relevant given that Ms O'Toole, the project spokesperson on Prime Time last night, is in charge of a large consultancy firm which specialises in profiting from such ideas.

HOWEVER - this should not discourage people from contributing anything that they feel can benefit the future success of this country that doesn't fit into the category of a specific business model, such as community projects and co-operatives. We have been living for a false economy for at least the past five years, its time we got back to creating things people actually want again and doing it better than everyone else. Anything that positively contributes towards this, however incremental the contribution may be, should be lauded for it and given every chance of success

And to the left leaning anti-marketeers, you will never bring down the system, you do not offer a viable alternative, recognise this, move on and try and contribute something helpful for a change.

[Colonel Kurtz]

So reading between the lines, you want the whole world to be one big communist planet. Nice idea but I have my doubts whether it would work. Food for thought, the whole planet....

No I don't want one big communist planet at all.
The way forward is a mixture. Sharing will create justice which, in turn, will create peace.

I look at it the same way I treat my family. I don't refuse to share with them on the grounds that that would be a communist thing to do. Nor, do I gauge market forces within the family dynamic before I decide how to provide their needs.

I just try to provide what they need. This can also happen on a macro scale without -isms and ideology getting involved.

[Leftfemme22]

And to the left leaning anti-marketeers, you will never bring down the system.

The system as you call it is in the process of bringing itself down. It has totally imploded.

The market is a nonsense, it has utterly failed to deliver all it claimed it could, I think it’s you who needs to move on in that respect.

[lostexpectation]

yes if she allowed some creative commons we might be more impressed rather then her just looking for work for her own company an online pr company.

greater use of creative commons and open source software and hardware, theres an idea, although it still applies to the site itself.

[myksav]

What Oirish-ness. Denigrate any ideas for getting us out of the present mess.

"Economic growth" Hmm, we could go for economic stagnation, if ye like. Hell, pull out the stops and go for economic collapse.

If there are enough ideas put forward, there's going to be some that will work. That's better than sitting on our butts and hoping 'someone else' will bail us out. That is a non-runner going by what is being heard from the EU.

[goosebump]

We need to create a new era based on sharing and justice, so that all on teh planet may have the basic necessities of life: food, shelter, health care, and education.

They tried that in Russia in the 1920s. It didn't work out, and that's putting it mildly.

[KingKane]

I can't say I was impressed by the presentation last night in Prime Time, the no whingers idea (especially where Ms. O'Toole was taking the bolke from ISME to task for point out a problem in the current system) is a classic tactic to avoid understanding where we are now and how we got here. No engineer or person involved in doing real concrete things would take that view, they would distinguish between moaning about how we're doomed and nothing can be done and those who would say, there is the actual situation we are faced with, we can do this or this but not that. That is not whinging it is facing reaility.

Still, I've given it a go and I'll see what the response is like.

[Watcher1]

That is ultimately where we will all end up in the long term. It’s either that or a hastened retreat to protectionist policies and crippling trade wars which could turn to blows very quickly.

The endless pursuit of profit and the incessant demand by the markets for expanding growth/profits is over, it was unsustainable anyway.

We will either cop the f*ck on to ourselves or destroy ourselves.

Left, unfortunately I dont believe human nature will allow this to happen. Capitalism is rife for a reason and communism has failed for a reason. It is a great idea in its pure form, but look at the poor buggers in communist countries. They are not happy either, and far less happy than the capitalist system subjects. There is a happy medium, I just dont think most of the world has hit upon it yet.

I agree with you though (imagine that), we do have to cop ourselves on.

[Watcher1]

The system as you call it is in the process of bringing itself down. It has totally imploded.

The market is a nonsense, it has utterly failed to deliver all it claimed it could, I think it’s you who needs to move on in that respect.

I dont think it was the system but rather the people who work within that system that brought it down. There is a big difference. The system/concept itself is fine and the way the world will ultimately come through this depression.

Unless someone comes up with a better system I think we will revert back to capitalism, just a better form of it.

[GerMan]

It's exactly this type of thread that give p.ie the bad name it has in some quarters. This thread was originally to garner support for a good idea and bring a bit of positivity to us, but no, a number of peo-ple in this community sabbotaged it and turned it into a begrudging thread of putrid Irishness.

Get a life guys, for ******************** sake.

Watcher1>>>>> It was my point exactly - perhaps not the 'putrid Irishness' part (!), but more my sheer amazement that people are so quick of the mark to dismiss anything different as self-promoting.