Are we reverting to Socialism again?

[W..R.H]

fair point, but show me how AIG, Citi, Anglo, and a host of others have been made to pay? In fact, their reckless approach has basically helped them because they got bailouts in return for bad behavior!

the only one really paying in all of this is the taxpayer

Yep.

We do have some form of socialism, just not the one that benefits the people.

Socialisng the losses and capitalizing the gains.

Sure what's wrong with that!

Any time Socialism is mentioned people jump on the bandwagon of communism etc. but socialism in itself, as has been acknowledged, is a broad term.


Is it really such a big deal to expect a decent, free, health system in the 21st century? Or an effective and efficent transport system and such? Or good and free education ( with buildings being in decent condition)

This can be taken as a form of socialism. Are people opposed to it? Do the Sindo chastise such hopes?

[Herodotus]

Are we reverting to Socialism??

No, we were never Socialist in the first place. However we as a society are going to evolve into Socialism due to the current economic crisis.

[bormotello]

Are we reverting to Socialism??

No, we were never Socialist in the first place. However we as a society are going to evolve into Socialism due to the current economic crisis.

Do you mean that when taxes will be increased and everybody, except public servants, will become unemployed and poor, people will start to think that socialism will be better for them?

[the impossibilist]

i guess socialists on the scratch have to justify it somehow.

of course, the one thing i noticed with lots of socialists, is they reckon being able to debate politics makes them 'worthwhile' when in fact, that won't even get you a job in McDonalds, but then again, if you were to consider doing that job it might be 'beneath you' and 'lacking in dignity' or 'underpaid'.

And what qualifies you to debate politics ? (assuming you consider your drivel above to be just that)

The cheek of you, a property snake-oil salesman with a silly tie on.

Is it because, having reinvented yourself as a media whore, you think that you're worthwhile ?

I'd say there's a fair few people who read your guff in 2007 (would you call this schitt ''worthwhile'' ? moneytalk.ie - Your Home) who now wish you'd confined yourself to the natural level of your abilities.

At least flipping burgers you'd have avoided the nasty socialists.

[crocked]

That is it in a nutshell

There are equality of rights and I stand 100% behind that concept but everyone is not equal. Some people are smarter than others, some people are stronger, some faster some have better reflexes. No single person is exactly the same as another. That is the cornerstone on which all civilisations are built but socialism decides to ignore that fact and clump every one together.

you had access to education and think yourself smarter than an orphan in africa, are you automatically better than him/her because of it???

People want to improve themselves and and have ambition. its what drives people to excel, at something, to put in the hours of study or the late evenings at work. In the main people with this drive and ambition who combine it with hard work are rewarded. If you put in the hours and make the sacrifices you should be rewarded.

so if you cannot work because you were born with MS for instance, then you should get nothing???

Why should someone burst their ass, putting in the hours of study or the extra hours at work if he is going to be rewarded the same as some Muppet who comes in does the bare minimum between 9 and 5 and goes home.

that would become a personal decision... you don't have to do it, you must want to do it...


we have to get back to whats really important, friends and family, and spending as much time with them as you can... because in reality, time is all we have...

[crocked]

No, any minor mistake and communism will be replaced by capitalism. Communist elites cannot afford any democracy.
If Marx theory is so good, why it is always failing?

because there's always money... eliminate money first...

http://www.politics.ie/economy/44223-money-2-a.html

[20000miles]

because there's always money... eliminate money first...

http://www.politics.ie/economy/44223-money-2-a.html

[crocked]

i'm human, forgive me

[sparkey321]

you had access to education and think yourself smarter than an orphan in africa, are you automatically better than him/her because of it???

Where exactly did I use the word better ? Intelligence and education are not necessarily linked and I for one would never claim that they were. Some of the smartest people I know don't have a leaving cert and some of the least intelligent have degrees and in one case a doctorate.

so if you cannot work because you were born with MS for instance, then you should get nothing???

Again where exactly did I say that ?

that would become a personal decision... you don't have to do it, you must want to do it...

Exactly my point. I made the choice because I wanted to better myself to improve my situation. I bust my ass, put in the hours and took the risks because of the potential reward. The other guy made a decision not to get off his ass, he didn't put in the hours of hard work, he didn't take the risks but he wants the same reward because he feels he is entitled ??

He is entitled to be rewarded for the effort he put in. Nothing.

we have to get back to whats really important, friends and family, and spending as much time with them as you can... because in reality, time is all we have...

Again that's a personal choice and each choice has consequences.

I work the hours but every morning I can to dress my son and give him breakfast. Even if I am working late I try to get home to put him to bed and then go back to work.

On my days off I spend my time with my family. I don't go golfing, or drinking. I use my off time to be with my family.

OK I don't get to spend as much time with my family as I would like but, the hard work benefits us all. It allowed my wife to go part-time, it allows me to ensure that my son has the opportunities I never had.

Do you think I do it because I enjoy it ? Do you think I enjoy working 60 to 90 hours a week ? Do you think I don't miss the time I could be spending with my son ?

I do it because of the rewards, rewards that I earned and worked for.

You made a different decision but don't think that entitles you to the same rewards I get.

[JCSkinner]

Todays Sunday Independant gives a worrying outlook for the future, namely that, given the present economic turmoil, we are heading back to socialism as a cure for our problems.

Any thoughts.....

Here's some thoughts:
Neo-conservatism created the mess we're in, not socialism, which we've never had in Ireland.
Everything in the Sindo, especially rants like this and especially anything written by Jody Corcoran, should be assumed to be nonsense unless categorically proven otherwise.
Socialism is what we need a bit of to cure our disease.
Skin Flicks: The Celtic Tiger disease