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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    This worry is really overdone.

    Ireland has very low debt at the moment, and everyone is in trouble. We're starting at 26% debt while Italy is starting at 106%.

    I think the global english language press has picked on Ireland simply because its easy for them to look at our media and read the doom and gloom. You don't hear half as much about the dire situation in Hungary - mainly because their media is not in english.

    Financial journalists across the world are incompetant and lazy. They were happy to report the economy was fine up to 2008. Now they are hyping the gloom because its an easy topic to report and people expect to hear that sort of thing now.

    The situation was worse than they reported in 2001-2008. Now its better than they are reporting.
    there might some truth to that
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    From CNBC
    "You can’t ignore the fact that Ireland’s not a currency issuer, and it can’t devalue the euro to “start-over” as many nations used to do in the past. Its efforts to reflate will increase borrowing -- and borrowing costs -- for years to come, potentially creating a debt trap where current service payments cannot be met but current GDP growth. Japan is facing down the barrel of that gun right, now. But it need not default on yen-denominated debt. It prints its own cash (or more accurately, credits the accounts of its own banks). Ireland can’t do this. Nor can Spain, Greece Italy or any other member of the single currency.

    At present, Irish voters seem to be looking to the short-term support of the euro zone (or, more simply, German taxpayers) with an estimated 51 percent now in favor of supporting a treaty they rejected 8 months ago.

    The longer-term implications of extracting an economy from the protracted crisis amid the shackles of the single currency seem too painful for the poets to contemplate at this point. But the more straight-forward prose seems to have turned the books ahead a few hundred pages to the final chapter.

    And let’s face it, the bond market has been right on this sort of thing before."
    Baccardax: The Wrong Irish Referendum - General * Europe * News * Story - CNBC.com

    It is the euro that hammered us. And now the eurofanatics want Germany to come in and buy up the country?
    The Euro gave us boom and bust. We now can't devalue currency, so we must devalue wages.
    Thanks the EUro, you're a star.

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    Underlines the need for public-sector unions to show restraint. This is no time to be throwing toys around the pram.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Underlines the need for public-sector unions to show restraint. This is no time to be throwing toys around the pram.
    Who on P.ie has been showing their restraint in spewing their hatred and bile towards public sector workers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by brio910 View Post
    From CNBC

    Baccardax: The Wrong Irish Referendum - General * Europe * News * Story - CNBC.com

    It is the euro that hammered us. And now the eurofanatics want Germany to come in and buy up the country?
    The Euro gave us boom and bust. We now can't devalue currency, so we must devalue wages.
    Thanks the EUro, you're a star.
    Having a goverment without the disipline and the analythical skills to manage the Euro and its consequences is closer to the mark.
    Democracy requires people to play attention.
    The Irish electorate went on a binge.
    The goverment didn't do what it was elected to.
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    Seabhcan. The sourses of revenue are drying up at a rate never before seen. Forget about the past unless you want to live in it. If your refusal to face reality is indicative of Labour party thinking then I hope there is no election. Scoff away.

    When is Hiding a Posters Behind, he was the one that thought talk of default was drivel last week

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    Sunrise Market Commentary - Fears are mounting that Ireland could default!

    Hi Guys,

    I thought some of you anoracky Economist types would like to wade into this one from FX Street:

    http://mediaserver.fxstreet.com/Repo...018a12b8d5.pdf

    One of the Headlines in this report:

    "Fears are mounting that Ireland could default on its soaring national dept pile,
    amid continuing worries about its troubled banking sector, the Sunday Times reported
    yesterday."

    Go to page 3:

    "On the European bond market, Irish bonds were among the hardest hit on rising doubts about the financial position of Ireland given the huge size of its troubled financial sector.
    The assets held by its banks are around 10 times the size of its economy, which is
    the highest ratio within the euro zone following Luxembourg. Last week, Ireland had
    to inject €7B into its two biggest banks, which resulted in a sharp rise of the CDS on
    Ireland to a new high of 340 basis points. Hence, despite its AAA rating, the CDS on
    Ireland is the highest of all euro zone member states."

    Loadsa Charts here too, including one of ( see end of page 3 ):

    "CDS on Ireland (orange) and 10-year yield spread (black) surge
    higher on rising concerns about the state of the public finances."

    So we are the Highest in Europe and this time not for good reasons. i will leave it to you guru's to sift any other useful info from this report.

    Came from here by the way: ECB's Stark warns for a crisis in public finances

    Aidan

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