Public Service Pension Levy

[adamirer]

Disgusted at the pension levy for low paid staff.

Staff on less 23.8k don't even get a pension - even with 40 years work behind them, the max is 40/80th of your retiring salary and less the value of the OAP (11.9k).

Ripping off low paid staff to pay for a mythical pension.

Turlough O'IBEC has a secure well paid job, guy is a sactimonious c***.

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[JollyRedGiant]

The entire basis of the cuts outlined by Brian Cowen in his speech today was a direct attack on the living standards of working class people.

pension levy - cuts in child benefit -

where is the increased taxation of the richest sectors of society?
where is the abolition of tax breaks? (FF still protecting their stud farms)?
where is the efforts to get tax dodgers who live abroad to pay their share?
where is the efforts to make those responsible for getting us in this crisis paying?
where are the cuts in junior ministers, dail salaries, allowances etc.?
where is the idea of people paying what they can afford - are workers the only people who benefitted from the boom?

I could go on but I think the point I am making is obvious.

One sector of society is being made to carry the can - and this is the sector of society that was not responsible for the crisis.

If ICTU have any balls they will bring every worker in the country on the streets - turf out the government and make the rich pay for the crisis.

[Big Bobo]

The great swindle that is social partnership must now be declared a dead duck. The rich profiteered outrageously under the "partnership" model while public services got raped. Now partnership can't even maintain wages and conditions for workers. It's a disgrace.

[Watcher1]

The entire basis of the cuts outlined by Brian Cowen in his speech today was a direct attack on the living standards of working class people.

pension levy - cuts in child benefit -

where is the increased taxation of the richest sectors of society?
where is the abolition of tax breaks? (FF still protecting their stud farms)?
where is the efforts to get tax dodgers who live abroad to pay their share?
where is the efforts to make those responsible for getting us in this crisis paying?
where are the cuts in junior ministers, dail salaries, allowances etc.?
where is the idea of people paying what they can afford - are workers the only people who benefitted from the boom?

I could go on but I think the point I am making is obvious.

One sector of society is being made to carry the can - and this is the sector of society that was not responsible for the crisis.

If ICTU have any balls they will bring every worker in the country on the streets - turf out the government and make the rich pay for the crisis.

Did you expect anything else? I HOPED for something else but didn't really expect it. Yes, I'm feeling disappointed too.

[adamirer]

I agree that the lower paid should have been shielded from this by a higher level on those 50k plus.

But who exactly in the PS will be calculating their pension of a final salary of less than 23.8k?

Isn't that the starting point of the CO scale?

Plenty of lower grade staff work family friendly hours, week on, week off, half days etc. Mostly women encourgaed back to work by the Gov a decade or so ago (and clearly, less there be confusion, are not on full pay).

[Thac0man]

One sector of society is being made to carry the can - and this is the sector of society that was not responsible for the crisis.

If ICTU have any balls they will bring every worker in the country on the streets - turf out the government and make the rich pay for the crisis.

Thus far the sector "carring the can" has been the one that has seen 120,00 job losses. But of course you would not know about that as it does not affect you right?

Bringing the country to a stand still will raise the cost of government borrowing and negate the money being saved (that needs to be). But being a public servant that won't affect your sector will it? So again, why should you care?

God forbid that you should be asked to contribute more to the nice pension you can look forward too.

If that counts as a "pay cut" or "feeling the pinch", there are hundreds of thousands in this country who would gladly swap there lot for yours mate.

[Rebel CNC]

Disgusted at the pension levy for low paid staff.

Staff on less 23.8k don't even get a pension - even with 40 years work behind them, the max is 40/80th of your retiring salary and less the value of the OAP (11.9k).

[/B]

Even the most incompetent, lazy timeserver (and there are plenty) in the Public sector would be on well more than €23,800 after five years, never mind 40 years.

[DeathKnell]

The great swindle that is social partnership must now be declared a dead duck. The rich profiteered outrageously under the "partnership" model while public services got raped. Now partnership can't even maintain wages and conditions for workers. It's a disgrace.

*Cack - choke - Help*

I agree with you Bobo.. Probably for all the opposite reasons. but I agree. Well said.

[Keith-M]

I agree that the lower paid should have been shielded from this by a higher level on those 50k plus.

But who exactly in the PS will be calculating their pension of a final salary of less than 23.8k?

Isn't that the starting point of the CO scale?

Exactly, there isn't a single public service worker who retires at the starting point on the salary scale. This is a complete red herring.

Personally I believe there should have been a pay reduction that a levy. It would reduced the pensions paid to the public service so you would get a double win.

[Thac0man]

The great swindle that is social partnership must now be declared a dead duck. The rich profiteered outrageously under the "partnership" model while public services got raped. Now partnership can't even maintain wages and conditions for workers. It's a disgrace.

What planet are you on? The Public sector has done better then any other sector in this country out of the Social Partnership. No other sector has guarenteed pensions and employment or earns nearly 25% on average more than their private sector counter parts.

The stumbling block that brought the social partnership talks to an abrupt halt was the soft Public Sector cuts, which is really asking Public servents to conribute more to their pensions (ie MONEY) they will receive when they retire. No one asked for pay cuts or even job cuts, it seems they were not discussed. Those things fall on those workers in the Private sector who earn less or are now one of the 120,000 who have no job.

Almost to a man, every alledged socialist on this site, is a public servent. Its f**king astonishing.