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    Make no mistake: Fine Gael are the sworn enemy of the public sector and its workers

    I'd begun to think over the last two elections that FG had thawed a little in its attitude towards the working class and was developing a sense of social conscience - it's years in the wilderness possibly teaching it some humility and that the country is not made up exclusively of the squire class that it has traditionally represented. Not so.

    The staunchly Fine Gael supporting 'Irish Examiner' is a good barometer most days of the direction FG policy is going in. Since the crisis broke it has reverted to type, unfortunately, and has published a series of editorials, features and columns damning the public sector, the unions and the workers they represent. It's coverage of strikes and other public protest has been muted for the main part and usually disapproving. Today's editorial spells out the contempt in which Fine Gael sees the public sector - though the party itself is not mentioned, nobody in Munster is under any illusion on whose behalf it speaks. FG is a party that has never had any real regard or respect for the poorer sections of society - viewing them in effect as a class of serfs whose existence should be one of subservience to the so-called 'wealth creators'. It views with rage and suspicion every concession to a decent standard of living for the men and women who work hard to keep this country running in a civilised way.

    For Fine Gael the economic crisis has brought on an orgy of excitement about the possibility of eviscerating the public sector - and which reveals their stubbornly patrician outlook in all its condescension . FG is daily goading the government to extreme measures against workers who have nothing to do with what destroyed this country - rampant and unchecked speculation on the financial and property markets which our government did nothing to control.

    The Examiner editorial writer responsible for the following piece must be living in a rarified atmosphere of insulated protection from the reality. He or she has contrived to define the current crisis as a contest between two groups of put upon workers: private sector workers and public sector workers. The latter must make every and any sacrifice to supplement the tragedies that have befallen the former. And out of the middle of this unbelievably irresponsible depiction of the situation escape ALL of the villains of the piece with only a glancing reference to what they should be doing: politicians, property developers, bankers, dealers and other obscenely wealthy people - the entire class of people who can and should be paying for what has happened. It seems that the togetherness to which the Examiner calls for is only to apply to the lower paid.

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    The madness is rampant. We have virtually no guarantees in place that the bailouts will be used wisely or for the benefit of the country as a whole. Meanwhile, in an effort to shave a relatively minor 2 billion from the public sector pay bill, hundreds of thousands of us are to be plunged further into poverty and/or unemployment. The disproportionate nature of this situation is an outrage against all decent and fair thinking people. Of course there will be the usual slew of vicious little narks who post on this site, baying for the blood of the public sector as just so much economic cannon fodder, but we know who you are - primarily Fine Gaelers. Take heed of this warning: much though Fianna Fail are despised and for many a good reason too, one of the reasons they go on getting elected is that somewhere in the midst of their incompetence and greed there still beats some feint semblance of heart on behalf of ordinary people. It's a gossamer thread of hope on which to hang our fate but better than the slammed trap door that will greet us if Fine Gael are ever let near the control panel.

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    Since when did Public Sector = Working Class people ?

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    Never, ever.

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    The Examiner editorial writer responsible for the following piece must be living in a rarified atmosphere of insulated protection from the reality
    He wouldn't be the only one.

    Take heed of this warning: much though Fianna Fail are despised and for many a good reason too, one of the reasons they go on getting elected is that somewhere in the midst of their incompetence and greed there still beats some feint semblance of heart on behalf of ordinary people
    Oh dear. A few paragraphs before we were ranting about:

    politicians, property developers, bankers, dealers and other obscenely wealthy people - the entire class of people who can and should be paying for what has happened.
    .......Who are dear friends of the FF party.

    Its amazing how FF are friends of the wreckers of the economy AND those who are most affected by it. Its bloody impressive.

    I'll use my analogy again.

    The economy is a car. Everyone is in the backseat.
    The car is rammed by a drunk driver.

    There is terrible carnage. One of the survivors has to be cut from the wreckage by paramedics.

    Who should he blame for losing his leg?

    The paramedic, who ACTUALLY cut it off, or the drunk driver?

    Meanwhile, in an effort to shave a relatively minor 2 billion from the public sector pay bill, hundreds of thousands of us are to be plunged further into poverty and/or unemployment.
    Whats the economic rationale for the hundreds of thousands in poverty or unemployment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacbloc
    I'd begun to think over the last two elections that FG had thawed a little in its attitude towards the working class and was developing a sense of social conscience - it's years in the wilderness possibly teaching it some humility and that the country is not made up exclusively of the squire class that it has traditionally represented. Not so.
    Their demands for public-sector reform shows that they do have a social-conscience, recognising as they do that it is socially-regressive for force the 75% of the workforce that in the private-sector to pay higher taxes so that the public-sector workers can earn on average 20% more than they do. It's bizarre to hear the political Left equate social-justice with allowing 25% of the workforce that are better off than the other 75% to lord it over the latter. It's an almost oligarchic concept - bordering on aristocratic. Underlines that the political Left are champagne-socialists rather than the real thing. For my own part, I say a plague on both houses of socialism.

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    Meri - Fine Gael are as much in bed with the same bunch of scheisters FF are - equally dependent on the same pool of vested interests for their survival. Economically there is little to distinguish the two - except that FG are virulent with hatred of unions, public sector workers and anything that might guarantee them a resonable standard of living for their contribution to society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach View Post
    Their demands for public-sector reform shows that they do have a social-conscience, recognising as they do that it is socially-regressive for force the 75% of the workforce that in the private-sector to pay higher taxes so that the public-sector workers can earn on average 20% more than they do. It's bizarre to hear the political Left equate social-justice with allowing 25% of the workforce that are better off than the other 75% to lord it over the latter. It's an almost oligarchic concept - bordering on aristocratic. Underlines that the political Left are champagne-socialists rather than the real thing. For my own part, I say a plague on both houses of socialism.
    What this situation tells us is that private sector unions are less effective at securing appropriate terms and conditions for their employees. We should be bringing them up to a decent standard of living, not bringing everyone else down.

    We cannot go on having a situation where people are entitled to cream off virtually unlimited profit at the expense of those who make it possible for them to do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacbloc View Post
    What this situation tells us is that private sector unions are less effective at securing appropriate terms and conditions for their employees. We should be bringing them up to a decent standard of living, not bringing everyone else down.

    We cannot go on having a situation where people are entitled to cream off virtually unlimited profit at the expense of those who make it possible for them to do that.
    We are the most globalised economy on the planet and depend on exports for our economic survival. That requires attracting FDI into the country, and raising taxes is not the way to get there - quite the contrary. Money doesn't grow on trees. You are confusing tax-rates with tax-take. If taxes are raised too high, more businesses will go to the wall and the rich will send their money to Switzerland, the Cayman islands etc. and the taxpayer will see none of it. That's what happened in the 1980's. The absence of performance-related pay in the public-sector and the lack of return for a 5-fold increase in health-spending since 1997 underlines that the public-sector is inefficient relative to the private-sector and that the fat must be trimmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacbloc View Post
    Meri - Fine Gael are as much in bed with the same bunch of scheisters FF are - equally dependent on the same pool of vested interests for their survival. Economically there is little to distinguish the two - except that FG are virulent with hatred of unions, public sector workers and anything that might guarantee them a resonable standard of living for their contribution to society.
    The analysis coming from the flat earthers gets worse.

    -If you sack people, unemployment assistance will mean there are no savings

    -We're not banks. So its not our fault. Leave us alone.

    -If you cut wages, this will mean less spending in the econmy, further retarding it

    -There is no benefit to security of tenure

    -The private sector caused this recession by tax evasion

    -And now 'FG hates the public sector'.

    Anyone else remember any other doozies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blacbloc View Post
    I'd begun to think over the last two elections that FG had thawed a little in its attitude towards the working class and was developing a sense of social conscience - ...

    **rant continues**



    ...It's a gossamer thread of hope on which to hang our fate but better than the slammed trap door that will greet us if Fine Gael are ever let near the control panel.
    Oh dear god. Is this really the Unions attitude to the country? Are you really so far detached from reality that this is the way you/the unions are thinking?

    Bring a blanket with you for the strikes. Looks like it could be a cold one. Bring some ear muffs to. Stop ya hearing the abuse you'll get.

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