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    The Economy: the plan from the Dept of Finance.

    Press Releases - Department of Finance - Government of Ireland

    This "addendum to the stability programme update",is what the Civil service mandarins think will happen the Irish economy until 2013. It does not inspire confidence, but is a source of serious depression both for what they do take account of and what they don't (how the EU will let us get away with this is beyond me.

    There is also a failure of political responsibility:
    - no clear plan has been laid out (perhaps a broadcaster should call each FF TD in turn and ask them what the plan is and they willl be embarrassed into forcing action)
    - the government appears to completely indecisive.
    - the forecasts, upon which the cabinet make their decisions once again appear hopelessly optimistic and will undermine confidence.
    - insufficent account appears to have been taken of the International DEPRESSION, sterling collapse, banking fiasco, international credit crunch, the serious loss of competivness, the negative impact red tape has on SMEs.

    To the charge of indecisive, unrealistic ditherers, the government (both civil service and cabinet) must plead guilty. WTF is going on?

    As a result, a cumulative loss of output of around 6¼ per cent appears to be in prospect over the period 2008-2010. Positive growth is expected in 2011, with a return to more sustainable growth thereafter.
    A touch optimistic, No?

    The Government has agreed to put in place a five year plan to restore balance to the public finances by 2013. This will include as a priority the elimination of the current budget deficit by 2013, that is to stop borrowing for day-to-day spending, and in that period to also bring the General Government deficit to below 3 per cent of GDP, while maintaining a high level of capital expenditure.
    I read about Cowen's mutterings on this, but why no big announcment?

    Moreover, the significant appreciation of the euro vis-à-vis
    sterling in recent months, if sustained, will weigh further on our export performance. As a result of these developments, the outlook for the exporting sector is unfavourable, with a decline in exports assumed for this year.
    Qualitive easing, will weaken sterling to tiolet paper status, meaning our trade with the UK is gone, border towns will be wastelands and retail sales will be decimated (at best).

    ...the level of employment in the economy will be close to 2
    million, as a result of the substantial employment gains since the mid-1990s.
    Unemployment is forecast to continue to rise this year. It is forecast to average 9.2 per cent for the year as a whole, with the year-end figure being around 10 per cent.
    Did these civil servants get their degrees in a lucky bag. Give me a break, they will reach 9.2% next month and rise to 12% if we are very lucky.

    The Government has set as a priority the elimination of the
    current budget deficit by 2013, that is to stop borrowing for day-to-day spending, and to bring the General Government deficit to below 3 per cent of GDP in that period. Budget 2009 had set out a plan to do this by 2011. Given the worsening position it is no longer practicable or sensible to do this in three years, as it would layer too great a shock on the economy and would be counter-productive
    This is an appaling admission of failure from our permanent government.

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    A special group has been established under an independent Chairman to further curtail public expenditure and public service numbers. This Group will report to the Minister during the first half of 2009 to secure additional savings which will feed into the Budgetary and Estimates process, work on which is already underway.
    • A Commission on Taxation established in February 2008 is currently
    examining the structure and nature of the Irish tax system and will report to theMinister for Finance well in advance of Budget 2010.
    • The Government will decide during January 2009 amongst options to deliver
    additional savings of up to €2 billion in Government expenditure during 2009
    over and above that agreed in Budget 2009.
    • Additional adjustments will be made on a phased basis each year out to 2013 and these will cumulatively amount to over €16 billion (8 per cent of GDP) by 2013.
    Quango killers, more taxes, major spening cuts. This aint going to be easy. €2bn this year, but €4bn cuts for 2010 and 2011. Serious ouch. But why the delay and reticance.


    -3,069 -9,300 -8,387 -5,511 -1,851
    These are the size of the PROJECTED government deficits from 2008
    onwards.

    EXCHEQUER BALANCE -12,714 -17,980 -16,860 -13,769 -11,583 -8,081

    GENERAL GOVERNMENT
    BALANCE -11,796 -17,165 -16,271 -12,092 -9,443 -5,537
    % of GDP -6.3% -9.5% -9.0% -6.4% -4.8% -2.6%


    Table 7: General Government Debt Developments
    % of GDP 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
    Gross debt4 24.8 40.6 52.7 62.3 65.7 66.2 64.5
    Change in gross debt ratio 0.1 15.8 12.1 9.6 3.4 0.5 -1.7
    That said I would prefer FF to remain in power to sort this out (it is was in opposition it will scream against every cut. Lenihan appears to found his balls in the last few weeks and the Greens may act as a counterbalance and keep the focus on the longterm. If this year is bad, 2010 and 2011 are going to be disasters - perhaps the political appeptite will have been acquired by then. I wonder if any more FF TDs will jump ship before the next election because if they are the second candidate, it may be the only way they will get back in (and get paid €40k more as an independent).

    In short, decisive tough action should be portrayed as a virtue and communicated well. But FFS lads, get on with it.

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    This is an important post. The Dept of Finance view of the the next five years is essential reading. No comments yet from this poster.

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    What happened to the economic master plan that FF announced just before xmas? Is it finished already?

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    thats a very crucial op, even if the plan as we have it is light on detail.
    at the rate of unemployment I can see their figures being optimistic, as for the 2billion savings, that is going to mean some unpopular decisions, and even if the plan works by the time we get to 2012, the state will need massive investment to make up for our infrastructure deficit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digout View Post
    What happened to the economic master plan that FF announced just before xmas? Is it finished already?
    What plan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    What plan?

    this one?

    Cowen unveils plan amid 120,000 job loss forecast - The Irish Times - Thu, Dec 18, 2008
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    And the projections, of course,will have their usual degree of accuracy........

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    This looks more and more like Transport 21, the spacial strategy, the gateway towns , blah blah blah flucking blah.

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    It says a lot about communication and leadership of the Cowen Cabinet that a plan with the word smart in the title would be launched the week before Christmas. This should have launched on monday the 5th to ensure that the message was clearly understood (cjh's state of the nation address was the 9th of jan and there is far more in than the repeated oneliner) ie 2009 is going to require sacrifices from everyone but we are in control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    2009 is going to require sacrifices from everyone but we are in control.
    Nobody is in control, the pilot is asleep at the wheels after drinking to much. We are about to crash.

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