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    Quote Originally Posted by jpc View Post
    This business about consulting the social partners.
    I don't remember electing same.
    The goverment were mandated to run the country.
    Make the decisions that need to be made.
    It is now nearly a month since the dept gave us its plan (see first post). We are had four weeks of talks that collapsed last night to discuss a poxy two billion in cuts. What hope is there for next year's four billion planned cuts and the ones they will need to cover the higher interest payments and tax shortfalls?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpc View Post
    This business about consulting the social partners.
    I don't remember electing same.
    The goverment were mandated to run the country.
    Make the decisions that need to be made.
    I read in the Indo today that Biffo is taking a hard line - take it or leave it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dios View Post
    I read in the Indo today that Biffo is taking a hard line - take it or leave it.
    Yeah, but watch what he will implement - more non thinking simplistic crap that will achieve nothing but put more pressure on hard pressed PAYE workers. There will be no hint of sacrifice from him and his party. If he is challenged on it he will simply retort that he took a 10% pay cut. Utter drivel.

    I was of the view that FF should stay in power so they can suffer the fate of the bad job they have done over the past 12 years and so that the voters of this country will remember how bad they actually governed. Now I am too afraid because they have driven this country down to such a deplorable state that it is probably too dangerous to leave them in power.

    That said, if what Richard Bruton put out today is the best we canm hope for with a change of government, we are all screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watcher1 View Post
    Now I am too afraid because they have driven this country down to such a deplorable state that it is probably too dangerous to leave them in power.
    Indeed, a new direction is needed, and about ten years ago. Failing that we need to make the most of it and salvage what little we have left before these yahoos auction it off to the lowest bidder.

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    It will be interesting afternoon.

    I'm looking foward to the announcement at 4pm, I believe

    I cannot see this Government having the necessary skill's to get us out of this mess,and I'm an optimistic soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Middleaged View Post
    It will be interesting afternoon.

    I'm looking foward to the announcement at 4pm, I believe

    I cannot see this Government having the necessary skill's to get us out of this mess,and I'm an optimistic soul.
    I briefly had confidence restored in Cowen. But it has been short-lived. He has not taken advantage of the momentum that he built last week to move the agenda on.

    €2bn this has not been achieved.
    The €4bn for next year is up in the air.
    The year after - will need a firmed foundation.

    Time is ticking on. And this plan (€16bn worth of cuts) looks life an optimistic fairytale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Question R24U View Post
    I briefly had confidence restored in Cowen. But it has been short-lived. He has not taken advantage of the momentum that he built last week to move the agenda on.

    €2bn this has not been achieved.
    The €4bn for next year is up in the air.
    The year after - will need a firmed foundation.

    Time is ticking on. And this plan (€16bn worth of cuts) looks life an optimistic fairytale.
    Contrary to all the posturing from FF.
    Their preservation rather than the national intrest is what matters.
    I think they realise that the money will not be available come August to pay wages,pensions let alone services.
    The IMF/ECB will be installed and the hands will be throw in the air.
    If they were being really serious.
    The top tax rate would go to 48%
    Benefits/Entitlement would come back 5-15% depending on sum
    PS wages would have the increments frozen plus the benchmarking % rescinded.
    Goverment wages would come back 35%. No unvouched expenses anymore.
    The linking of goverment pensions to the current wage would be dropped
    Oh and the arrogants dolts who landed the country in this mess would be out on their ear public or private sector.
    The country was enriching itself with borrowed money.
    Its gone but the lender wants it back.
    Will FF the republic (in the) can party try that.?
    Don't think so.
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    Where exactly is the plan?

    All I see it the dept of finance coming out with figures...that's not a plan.

    We them to come up with ideas on how to raise the income and stimulate the economy.

    The lact of imagination in the dept of finance is staggering as in this government and entire PS. They only seem to be interested in pay rises and nothing else, and wait for the private sector to be innovative, efficient and generate the wealth.

    The Public Sector is not up to the job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anewbeginning View Post
    Where exactly is the plan? That was the point of this thread - other than suggest €16bn cuts, there is no plan

    All I see it the dept of finance coming out with figures...that's not a plan.

    We them to come up with ideas on how to raise the income and stimulate the economy. no one has yet

    The lact of imagination in the dept of finance is staggering as in this government and entire PS. They only seem to be interested in pay rises and nothing else, and wait for the private sector to be innovative, efficient and generate the wealth. in fact they actively stp them from doing so

    The Public Sector is not up to the job.
    Neither is FF.
    Neither is FG so long as it allows its spokespersons do solo runs and appear to speak with whatever group is opposing some cut or other.
    Neither is Labour since it opposes the Pension Levy.


    They and we all need to get real.

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