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    Public Finances : Solution is more than just cutting public sector pay

    Theres a fetish here on p.ie on "sure cut public sector pay and twill be grand" . IT WONT
    Why? Much better explained here
    The Irish Economy Blog Archive The Budgetary Outlook and the Government’s Plan

    and below
    The Budgetary Outlook and the Government’s Plan

    This post was written by Karl Whelan
    The government has published a stability program update with new projections for the economy and for the budgetary situation. Projections are provided for the general government balance under current policies as well as under a multi-year adjustment plan.
    The government now project declines in GDP of 4% in 2009 and 0.9% in 2010 and unemployment is projected to average 9.2% in 2009 and 10.5% in 2010. Without changes in policy, the general government balance is projected to be in deficit to the tune of 11%-12% of GDP every year out to 2013.
    The govenment has decided to address the fiscal situation gradually over the next five years. The report states: “Restoring sustainability to the public finances can only realistically involve a period of adjustment of up to five years. Taking action over a shorter period of time, given the scale of the emerging position, would impose substantial economic and social costs and would not be sensible or appropriate.”
    An adjustment of €2 billion is proposed for this year, still leaving a budget deficit of 9.5%. Subsequent adjustments of €4 billion in 2010 and 2011, €3.5 billion in 2012 and €3 billion in 2013 will gradually reduce the deficit over time to 2.5% in 2013.
    No details are provided as to how these adjustments will be made. Worth noting, however, is that the adjustments total €16.5 billion. Given that the total bill for public sector pay and pensions is currently about €20 billion, it should be clear that despite the regular media focus on public sector pay cuts, restoring fiscal balance will require many other adjustments.

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    Gonna have to cut social welfare also - see

    We need to cut social welfare

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberianpan View Post
    Gonna have to cut social welfare also

    cYp
    and slay all the first borns, right cyber?

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    everything will be cut. The key take from Colm McCarthy's presentation to the IEA/UCD crisis conference today is : 1987 was capital cuts (think closed hospitals), this ones gonna be current (think fired nurses).....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixIreland View Post
    and slay all the first borns, right cyber?
    First borns earn more money, later borns have a greater propensity to emigrate ! (see this (which incidentally is disputed) )


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    Sell RTE????

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    oh, and he mentioned sale of state assets also, so RTE , Dublin Port, everything must go. Think woolies on the last day of their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhoenixIreland View Post
    and slay all the first borns, right cyber?
    Actually we could auction off some virgin's virginity:

    Link
    The Virgin Auction hits $2.5 million
    Not sure about supply & demand but reckon a thousand of them should make €1billion ...

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    A 10% budget deficit is massive.

    We are going to have to cut public sector pay, cut out waste, increase efficiency within the public sector, increase the tax base, increase all the existing taxes and cut capital spending.

    This is going to be a very painful economic readjustment.

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