Any bets on the size of Public Sector pay cuts?

[kellsangel]

I reckon of the order of 15% anything much less would not have much of an impact on the Government Finances in the context of the present environment.

That said the Public sector might save themselves a few bob and abandon their unions which have served them well over the last decade.

There is a growing move by public sector workers to use Solicitors to represent them as opposed to union representation. so many workers are taking "stress related claims" against the State.

Minor greviences morph very quickly into a period of stress related sick leave and a claim.

The raft of rights based law in relation to workers rights has facilitated this transition.

The Public sector unions are in decline as they can't get blood from a stone.

Heard a union type on the radio this morning whingeing that the other EU countries spend a higher portion of GNP on their public service.

We are moving in the direction as our GNP decreases.

Mind you their GNP per capita used to be smaler than ours.

It will be very difficult to sell a pay cut deal without putting compulsory redundancies on the table

[Sierra]

Nothing less than 10%, thats for sure in my view.

[seabhcan]

Heard a union type on the radio this morning whingeing that the other EU countries spend a higher portion of GNP on their public service.

Thats partly because other eu states provide more services, incl bin collections, etc

For example, in a lot of countried on the mainland, every new mother is assigned a nurse/maid who will arrive every day for the first few months to help cook and clean t

[Kevin Doyle]

Nothing less than 10%, thats for sure in my view.

Both of you are dreaming. If you think thats going to happen across the board.

I will lay a bet with anyone here that the reductions will be no higher than 2.5% for most rising incrementally for those on higher salaries.

[kellsangel]

on the basis of other states spending a higher portion of GDP on public services.

[Kevin Doyle]

Thats partly because other eu states provide more services, incl bin collections, etc

For example, in a lot of countried on the mainland, every new mother is assigned a nurse/maid who will arrive every day for the first few months to help cook and clean t

So the spend is on a parity then? Still no justification for cuts.

[markeys]

1-2% maybe. I expect FF to just allow inflation and a ban on recruitment to bring public sector spending back into line. Say oooh, over the course of 5 years perhaps?

[kellsangel]

Difficult to see how increments could be postponed or cancelled.

[smitchy2]

So the spend is on a parity then? Still no justification for cuts.

The argument against payroll cuts is over.
Tax receipts which fund public expenditure including substantial payroll costs are over €8bn lower (€40bn v €48bn) and sinking fast over the next few years.
There has already been tax increases and this government is prepared to increase our debt to 100% GDP in the next few years. Hopefully the €1.5bn is not given to Anglo to prevent some of this.


I agree with you Kevin that this government won’t stand over any pay cuts above 2.5%.
It is madness for any company or country to borrow to meet payroll costs but that is the current government plan.

[workinman]

Would the govrnment not need permission from their employee's to reuce their income. That would have voted on to accept or decline a wage decrease.