Give and Take For Public sector Pay cuts!

[workinman]

It is illegal to force someone to take a pay cut. End of.

I thought that. Now if private sector worker's are to take a pay cut that's their own decision, they cannot expect public sector or anyone else to accept a pay cut just because they decide to. I have alway's worked in the private sector.

[meriwether2]

No, where did I say it?

I those very words? You didn't.

But anyone who jumps on the back of a ludicrous Bobbysands argument (that the public sector shouldn't feel any pain as the private sector caused the recession) can only subliminally be pointing at 1 thing.

[Kevin Doyle]

You arguments, over the last 3 months, for the retention of Public Service pay and other 'entitlements are threadbare.. Either you accept the benchmarking process or you dont. If you do not NOW accept it then you arguments are corrupt and hypocritical... Is suspect you dont give a sh1t, because you ARE BEVERLY COOPER FLYNN!!!

There, Ive outed you!! you brazen trollop!!

What has any of this got to do with your rather bizarre claim that the ESRI report states the PS is bloated?

As for your claim that the arguments are threadbare, that my dear boy is merely your assessment, nothing more.

The fact remains that the bulk of the civil service, ie those of CO grade, are modestly paid.

[Mar Tweedy]

Right now, I feel if there is a public sector pay cut, it is like dipping into a family's food and bills money to pay off a gambling debt, while the gambler is still off gambling with the family's future (Anglo). Its quite possible enabling behaviour that allows the addict to continue in denial rather than face the consequences of what they have done. I don't think this is healthy. Quit the gambling, admit your problem (an economy built to service bankers and builders), show us that the govt can take responsibility for past actions and for sorting out the mess they are responsible for, make regulations now to benefit the real productive economy (sme sector), then talk about public sector pay cuts. Otherwise its futile. We'll run down our public services for naught.

[DeathKnell]

The fact remains that the bulk of the civil service, ie those of CO grade, are modestly paid.

Read the ESRI report Kev.. The summary again for the slow learners..

Furthermore, we found that by 2006 senior public service workers earned approximately 10 per cent more than their private sector counterparts, while those in lower-level grades earned between 24 and 32 per cent more


Now, why is this important? Well, the old chesnut, that those of us working in the private sector ARE paying your wages.. The guys in the construction sector paid your benchmarked pay increases.. But now they have done a bunk, I'm damned if we have to pick up the tab to keep you in the style you are accustomed to and not b1tch about it.. Princess..

[bobbysands81]

It was worth more (to Bobby) than Bobby's pay increase, wasn't it?
Or is Bobby paid in beans rather than cash (I'd actually believe that)?

BTW, where are my figures for the massive contribution from tax evasion to the national defecit?

I just went into the bank and tried to pay my mortgage with "Job Security" - they wouldn't accept it.

[meriwether2]

I just went into the bank and tried to pay my mortgage with "Job Security" - they wouldn't accept it.

It must have been Anglo.

Most bank managers value security of income.

Insurance companies also.

[sparkey321]

I just went into the bank and tried to pay my mortgage with "Job Security" - they wouldn't accept it.

No but you are classed as a low risk and as such get better rates and terms...

[Kevin Doyle]

Read the ESRI report Kev.. The summary again for the slow learners..

Furthermore, we found that by 2006 senior public service workers earned approximately 10 per cent more than their private sector counterparts, while those in lower-level grades earned between 24 and 32 per cent more

Now, why is this important? Well, the old chesnut, that those of us working in the private sector ARE paying your wages.. The guys in the construction sector paid your benchmarked pay increases.. But now they have done a bunk[/QUOTE]

You are still making the mistake of not equating like with like. This is where you continuously fall down.

Are you telling me an Office worker (with Degree and 6 yrs experience) earns 24-34% less than a CO on 30K pa with 6 yrs experience?

Are you telling me that office workers (with Degree) earns 20-25K

ESRI are currently being called to task for making the same mistakes IBEC made with using averages and not taking into account time served for comparative analysis. They did not do a thorough and systematic comparison on an exact job description for job description basis and until they do the result is meaningless as a wage comparison study.

I can assure you that the ESRI report will be revised accordingly.

I'm damned if we have to pick up the tab to keep you in the style you are accustomed to and not b1tch about it.. Princess..

But you don't mind picking up the tab for the idiots in the Banking sector who where major influential factors in getting us into this mess.

B*tch away.....Princess.

[Kevin Doyle]

It must have been Anglo.

Most bank managers value security of income.

Insurance companies also.

You are flogging a dead horse.... the matter is closed