Why must my argument be expansive?Originally Posted by riker1969
But since you ask, I'll happily expand.
Your type is the type of public servant that seems to think it ought to be immune from the realities of the economic downturn, that believes their job and salary are an entitlement rather than a negotiable reward for work required and performed, and which cannot apparently comprehend that the bloated and overpaid public sector is no longer sustainable.
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You repeatedly refer to private sector greed being to blame for the recession. What about the role of the financial regulator (a public body)? Only the financial regulator had the power to put the brakes on the wreckless lending across the entire banking sector which in itself fuelled the property bubble. Why don't you make any criticism of the this public body which completely failed to do its job?
Also, seeing a so many public sector workers seem to be so touchy when it comes to generalisation regarding their work practices and productivity, why do you then see fit to blame the entire private sector for the recession? Dell are looking at laying off 2,000 in Limerick. Are Dell or their workers facing redundancy to blame for the recession? What about Waterford Wedgewood? Or my own brother who lost his job as an integrated circuit designer? How exactly is he to blame? Are you so completely oblivious to the rough ride private sector companies and workers have been and are continuing to endure that you seem to think that they have reciprocate any pay cut you take (in your position of total job security)? There are many who have taken pay cuts well in excess of 10% already - should they take another 10% cut to satisfy you? Should people be asked to hand back 10% of their redundancy payments in solidarity with you? Come off it. I accept that this particular debate has been hampered by the jingoisitic ranting about "taking an axe to the public sector" and those are black and white sentiments I do not buy into whatsoever. However the need to cut costs and vastly improve productivity in many areas is self evident.
When times were good you demanded and got benchmarking. Now when times are bad you seem to want to sit in an ivory tower and point the finger. Wake up.
Its precisely this sort of attitude that explains the mounting antipathy for public sector workers.
What the taxpayer pays you for your services is a function of what your services are worth in a given market. Your wish list of petty grievances is your business, not the taxpayers.
As things stand, unemployment is on the increase, pay rates in the private sector are spiraling downwards, and public sector employment is frozen, which means if your job were advertised tomorrow , it could be filled at probably 60% of what the taxpayer is currently paying you.
Yet, you and your colleagues want an actual pay increase.
Strike if you want to. Very few teachers are worth the money they are paid.
In the long run, our kids will be better served by cracking bloodsucking, unnaccountable organizations like ASTI and the INTO.
A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.
Pay day bonanza for civil servants - Times Online"GOVERNMENT figures show that 74% of Ireland’s public servants earn more than the average national wage compared with fewer than 50% of workers in the private sector.
The revelation debunks claims by trade union leaders that the public service is largely populated by low paid workers.
Figures supplied to The Sunday Times by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) show for the first time how pay scales compare between the public and private sectors.
The public-sector figures are based on the 352,000 people who were employed as civil servants, health workers, teachers and in commercial state bodies such as the ESB when the analysis was prepared in autumn 2006.
The analysis reveals that 74.2% of all public-sector workers earned more than €40,000 at a time when the average salary was €37,200. That equates to more than 260,000 of the numbers employed in the public sector at the time.
In comparison, just 47.7% of private-sector workers were paid in excess of €40,000 that year.
A comparison of those earning between €50,000 and €100,000 revealed that 102,577 public-sector employees, or 29.1%, were on this pay scale compared with just 13.1% of workers in the private sector."
Servants that could push the state over a cliff - Times Online
Public sector must be made to march for their money - Analysis - Independent.ie
Irish Economy: Political disarray, panic, incompetence, a credibility gap and five-star "cradle to grave" socialism
Full gravity of situation has yet to sink in - National News, Frontpage - Independent.ie
Nope, still has no monetary value at all.
Nice try though.
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George Will
It was worth more (to Bobby) than Bobby's pay increase, wasn't it?
Or is Bobby paid in beans rather than cash (I'd actually believe that)?
BTW, where are my figures for the massive contribution from tax evasion to the national defecit?
If it is of no value then what objection would you have to its being rescinded?
Bobbys concerns are bobbys concerns. That doesn't mean that job security has any monetary value. It doesn't and the BM authority agree with me, which at the ned of the day is all that really matters.
As for tax evasion, only a fool would try and claim it is not a part of the deficit.
Voters don't decide issues, they decide who will decide issues.
George Will
Worker 1: Works in Dell in Limerick. Earns 40k pa. Wage has grown 2% pa for the last 10 years. Next years wage is projected to therefore be 40,800.
Worker 2: Works in Civil service. Earns 40k per year. Permanent, pensionable job. Security of tenure guaranteed. Subject to benchmarking for pay increases.
Each walks into a bank.
Who is more likely to get a loan of 100k?
Therefore, is there a value to security? Yes.
Monetise it? Its subjective, I admit. That does not mean it doesn't have a monetry value.
This time next year.
The IMF will in all liklihood be calling the shots on such matters.
Unless there is a PDFQ realisation of the situation.
Biffo is the no 1 employer in the country via the Public Service.
He needs to show up and be honest about the situation and the consequences of inactivity.
Big cuts at the top and work down.
Too much entitlement as evidenced by the FAS debacle and the queen of Castlebar.
He talks like hes got a pair to the opposition benches,but is absolutely craven and spineless when it comes to real confrontation.
He better get the reality out there quick to the PS.
My better half works in the PS.
Pretty soon I will be out of a job.
I don't like voteing for christmas but thats the way it is.
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In 2000 the Women's Institute in Britain gave Tony Blair the slow hand clap to demonstrate their contempt.
[COLOR="Red"]It was dignified, restrained and effective.[/COLOR]Doesn't Bertie deserve the same scorn. No shouting, no abuse, no agression just a relentless slow clap whenever he speaks in public would be enough to end that man's presidential fantasy.
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