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    Quote Originally Posted by nineteensixtyseven View Post
    Cheers for this, ill add it in. I should have said "contributions welcome"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz View Post
    Hi Barry,

    I know we have not always agreed so far - but I have only listened to the first mp3 but so far have heard nothing I disagree with. Thanks for this.
    Glad you found the link useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz View Post
    ARRRRGHHHH!!! Anything with an -ism on the end is bound to fail. Why don't people get that??? It's not about the "system". It's about the people. We have it arse-ways. Replacing it with another arse-ways system will fail as well, of course.
    Spot on. Most sensible post I've read. Consise too, if a little anal! Freud would love it.

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    Barry, just watched the video 'Capitalism Hits the Fan'... found it interesting. I've actually bookmarked this page so I can get a listen to the other bits as well. Good man sir.

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    Barry, just watched the video 'Capitalism Hits the Fan'... found it interesting. I've actually bookmarked this page so I can get a listen to the other bits as well. Good man sir.
    Its good that you found something interesting from it. David harvey is well worth a listen too.
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    World Economy: The great implosion
    World Economy: The great implosion

    World Economy: Wall Street Crash 2008
    World Economy: Wall Street Crash 2008

    The October crisis
    Socialism Today - The October crisis

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    One of the reasons why many businesses are going bust is because workers have too much power not too little. It's common sense that a business which is run by workers would not work and would soon go bust. They would keep giving themselves payrises and longer holidays until eventually the factory or business produces little or nothing while the workers take home large pay packets. That's what has effectively happened to the US auto industry, to Waterford Crystal, Alitalia and other national carriers, as well as the Irish public service and many many other factories and businesses that are or were heavily unionised.

    In the end unionised businesses tend to go out of business or are outsourced faster than non-unionised ones, whether there is a direct link there or not is the question. Unions through collective bargaining just means mob rule where the least productive gets paid the same as the most productive. No business can thrive in that environment and it only encourages people not to try since they know they will get a payrise regardless. That's the major flaw inherent in benchmarking, and that's why it was a bad deal for the country, one flagged by FG for example as being a bad deal but which FF including Cowen thought was a great deal. Now we are reaping the problems of that bad deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junketman View Post
    One of the reasons why many businesses are going bust is because workers have too much power not too little. It's common sense that a business which is run by workers would not work and would soon go bust. They would keep giving themselves payrises and longer holidays until eventually the factory or business produces little or nothing while the workers take home large pay packets. That's what has effectively happened to the US auto industry, to Waterford Crystal, Alitalia and other national carriers, as well as the Irish public service and many many other factories and businesses that are or were heavily unionised.
    I agree it's common sense - of course the fact that workers wages, in real terms, haven't increased in the last 30 years - while profits have sky-rocketed - has had absolutely no impact on the present crisis of capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JollyRedGiant View Post
    World Economy: The great implosion
    World Economy: The great implosion

    World Economy: Wall Street Crash 2008
    World Economy: Wall Street Crash 2008

    The October crisis
    Socialism Today - The October crisis
    Cheers for them JRG, ill create an "articles" section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post


    Oct 10th 2008 - Capitalism Hits the Fan *Video - Capitalism Hits the Fan: A Marxian View on Vimeo
    The best part about this one was the analysis of consumption, and the discrediting of the idea that consumption is the most important thing of all. This IMO is a huge leagcy of Keynesianism, which stipulates that it is consumption that "drives the economy".

    I got through the first 20 minutes of his thesis and stopped. I was suprised when he pointed out the year c.1970 as a starting point for all this. Unfortunately, not a single time did he ever mention the Federal Reserve and Nixon "closing the gold window", which finally allowed the government to steal from people via inflation (to an even greater extent). From 1971 the money supply rises steadily and hence savings are eroded and real wages stagnate. That I beleive is the primary cause of the flatlining of wages.

    But other fallacies are
    1. Use of the labour theory of value and subsequent belief that profit = "stolen" wages.
    2. Belief that cycles are endogenous and reliance on psychological explanations of economic phenomena, much like Keynes did.
    3. Constant value judgements (like referring to consumer goods as "crap")

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