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    Ireland's $1.2 trillion dollar private debt

    Individuals and companies based in Ireland owe $1.2 trillion in foreign debt.

    Irish borrowing tops $1.2 trillion - The Irish Times - Mon, Dec 08, 2008

    That is 6 times GDP.

    $3,000,000 for every person in the country.
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    Borrowers in Ireland - one of Ireland's smallest countries - have racked up one of its biggest debt mountains, topping a trillion dollars, according to figures released by the Bank for International Settlements
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    The figures are distorted by the IFSC and foreign multinationals using Ireland for tax/regulatory reasons. The article refers to this. It aint as much a big deal as the opening poster's title would make you think. The real figures of concern are the government debt and the private sector figures of around 400billion which are true figures of Irish peoples indebtedness.

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    A huge amount of it is MNC dodgy accounting and IFSC dodgy accounting though.

    IIRC the "real" figure - debts owed by Irish SMEs and punters - is about €400 billion.
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    Remember the banks used to publish a survey of wealth and Ireland was around top in world due to the value of everybodies homes! They said around 2006 that all homes in IRelandwere valued around 500billion and mortgages outstanding were around 140billion. Now all the properties are worth around 250 billion so lot less equity held by Irish households. Will the banks be publishing these updated figures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by politicaldonations View Post
    Remember the banks used to publish a survey of wealth and Ireland was around top in world due to the value of everybodies homes! They said around 2006 that all homes in IRelandwere valued around 500billion and mortgages outstanding were around 140billion. Now all the properties are worth around 250 billion so lot less equity held by Irish households. Will the banks be publishing these updated figures?
    Total fiction. How much would you get if you tried to flog everyone's house at the same time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by seabhcan View Post
    Total fiction. How much would you get if you tried to flog everyone's house at the same time?
    In the same position that you would be if 4m people arrived and tried to purchase the total housing stock at the same time. Both are ludicrous situations.

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    So €400 billion, of which €120 billion is loans to builders, €140 billion is outstanding mortgages, and €140 billion is a mix of credit cards, personal loans, overdrafts and loans to businesses.

    The "good" news is that the rate of private sector credit growth has been plummeting for months and will shortly go negative i.e. over the next few months the amount of debt being paid off will start outstripping the new loans being given out, and we'll become less indebted as a nation.

    The "bad" news is that the rate of private sector credit growth has been plummeting for months and will shortly go negative i.e. the banking system will collapse, because the system relies on constantly increasing debt to function.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidewinder View Post
    So €400 billion, of which €120 billion is loans to builders, €140 billion is outstanding mortgages, and €140 billion is a mix of credit cards, personal loans, overdrafts and loans to businesses.

    The "good" news is that the rate of private sector credit growth has been plummeting for months and will shortly go negative i.e. over the next few months the amount of debt being paid off will start outstripping the new loans being given out, and we'll become less indebted as a nation.

    The "bad" news is that the rate of private sector credit growth has been plummeting for months and will shortly go negative i.e. the banking system will collapse, because the system relies on constantly increasing debt to function.
    The 1.2 trillion is foreign debt. Most of the 400 billion is domestic - Irish people borrowing other Irish people's savings.

    Total debt must be something like 1.2 trillion + 0.4 trillion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grassroots View Post
    In the same position that you would be if 4m people arrived and tried to purchase the total housing stock at the same time. Both are ludicrous situations.
    But this was the type of inane mindless pap that was foisted on the populance on a continual basis.
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