Bedsits history. Nanny knows best

[patslatt]

The government announced it is to ban bedsits sharing a bathroom,according to RTE Radio at 6.10pm. It isn't clear if this applies to houses rented by a group. A majority of the shared bathroom bedsit tenants are probably receiving rent allowance,so for them it will improve living conditions. But as the costs of refurbishing bedsits to put in bathrooms is eventually passed on in rents,many low income tenants who do not have rent allowance will be deprived of choice and forced to pay more in rent than they would like or can afford. It is logical to conclude that they would prefer to keep the choice of bedsits without bathroom,since if they wanted bedsits with ensuite bathrooms they would already be renting them,wouldn't they?

[jc_ie]

The Government is trying to bring in a minimum standard for bedsits to ensure private access to toliet facility? How dare they! In fact they should not set any standards what so everythat if a landlord wants to let a single room to ten families without running water they should be able to do so.

I wonder if similar complaints came from landlord when they tried to deal with the tenaments.

Landlords can try and put that extra cost on the rent if they wish.
Of course in the current market that wont get them very far.

[draiocht23]

The government announced it is to ban bedsits sharing a bathroom,according to RTE Radio at 6.10pm. It isn't clear if this applies to houses rented by a group. A majority of the shared bathroom bedsit tenants are probably receiving rent allowance,so for them it will improve living conditions. But as the costs of refurbishing bedsits to put in bathrooms is eventually passed on in rents,many low income tenants who do not have rent allowance will be deprived of choice and forced to pay more in rent than they would like or can afford.

Are you seriously trying to defend those holes? Never lived in one, but knew a few students who did - depressing, awful places that suck the life out of you. Good riddance.

Rent allowance pays approx 80% of your rent - you don't have to live in a kip to get it.

[baldur0300]

The government announced it is to ban bedsits sharing a bathroom,according to RTE Radio at 6.10pm. It isn't clear if this applies to houses rented by a group. A majority of the shared bathroom bedsit tenants are probably receiving rent allowance,so for them it will improve living conditions. But as the costs of refurbishing bedsits to put in bathrooms is eventually passed on in rents,many low income tenants who do not have rent allowance will be deprived of choice and forced to pay more in rent than they would like or can afford.

Previous governments also demolished slum housing across Dublin ........ was that the nanny state in action as well or was in the Government deciding that standards in housing should be improved?

[yehbut_nobut]

The government announced it is to ban bedsits sharing a bathroom,according to RTE Radio at 6.10pm. It isn't clear if this applies to houses rented by a group. A majority of the shared bathroom bedsit tenants are probably receiving rent allowance,so for them it will improve living conditions. But as the costs of refurbishing bedsits to put in bathrooms is eventually passed on in rents,many low income tenants who do not have rent allowance will be deprived of choice and forced to pay more in rent than they would like or can afford.

So tell us, how many room have you got "set"? Reckon this'll cost you, eh?

[patslatt]

The Government is trying to bring in a minimum standard for bedsits to ensure private access to toliet facility? How dare they! In fact they should not set any standards what so everythat if a landlord wants to let a single room to ten families without running water they should be able to do so.

I wonder if similar complaints came from landlord when they tried to deal with the tenaments.

Landlords can try and put that extra cost on the rent if they wish.
Of course in the current market that wont get them very far.

Many tenants want the cheapest rent possible. Foreign students depending on a precarious job to pay rent. Some Irish students in the same situation. Many socially undesirable tenants,alcoholics, drug addicts and antisocial people,who find it difficult to keep a roof over their heads.

THe government will be telling them they should live at a higher standard than they want. Does the government know better what's good for them?

Better to allow competition to drive the bedsits without bathrooms out of business. And in Dublin the best way to do that is 1.to revoke Dublin City Council's insanely huge minimum size limit of 85 square metres (930 square feet) on new flats and 2.to speed up our legalistic planning appeals that allow any NIMBY to stop sound developments for five years or more.

[stewiegriffin]

Yeah , I had to laugh at Joe Duffy today , getting all bolshie , defending the rights of people who only own ten(overpriced,squalid) properties! Boo fcking hoo!

[patslatt]

Previous governments also demolished slum housing across Dublin ........ was that the nanny state in action as well or was in the Government deciding that standards in housing should be improved?

In the UK,the post WWII demolitions included many architecturally interesting old historic working class areas which were replaced by tower blocks now regarded as sink estates. This is considered an act of massive bureaucratic state vandalism by architects.

I don't know enough about Dublin's slum housing in those days to comment.

In a lot of slum housing,often the problem is not the original house,but the extreme overcrowding (seven people to a room in the poor parts of Victorian London) and lack of maintenance.

[patslatt]

Are you seriously trying to defend those holes? Never lived in one, but knew a few students who did - depressing, awful places that suck the life out of you. Good riddance.

Rent allowance pays approx 80% of your rent - you don't have to live in a kip to get it.

Many landlords don't want social welfare tenants. The spare capacity of the kips could prove useful in an emergency for people who would otherwise be homeless. Many people are forced to stay in B & Bs on social welfare for lack of a home.

[shutuplaura]

In the UK,the post WWII demolitions included many architecturally interesting old historic working class areas which were replaced by tower blocks now regarded as sink estates. This is considered an act of massive bureaucratic state vandalism by architects.

I don't know enough about Dublin's slum housing in those days to comment.

In a lot of slum housing,often the problem is not the original house,but the extreme overcrowding (seven people to a room in the poor parts of Victorian London) and lack of maintenance.

Thats not exactly true though is it. There was an immense and immediate need for housing in the postwar period and council houses fulfilled this need. If they have degenerated then its has been over the course of decades. Often council housing schemes were great places to live until other social problems such as drung use or unemployment came along. Mistakes were made but given the expansion in housing stock this was enevitable, and the benefits outweighed the disadvantages.

With the bedsits, they are a fecking disgrace anyway. I honestly thought they had been done away with years ago. I reckon if will force some casual landlords to get out of the business, not a bad thing either, these guys were often operating on such thin margins they were a nightmare to deal with and very slow to pay for repairs etc.