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    IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
    Will they be practicing what they preach with a call for executive pay freeze?
    ...didn't think so.

    IBEC calling for wage controls is not news, calling for limits on speculation, profiteering and excessive executive (and government) pay...now THAT would be news.
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    Ideally, I'd like to see the really good teachers, guards, nurses, etc paid more and get rid of the incompetent, lazy time servers but not going to happen!

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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Universal_001
    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
    Will they be practicing what they preach with a call for executive pay freeze?
    ...didn't think so.

    IBEC calling for wage controls is not news, calling for limits on speculation, profiteering and excessive executive (and government) pay...now THAT would be news.
    Indeed.

    I don't imagine many IBEC members are struggling to pay mortgage, utility, or food bills.

    F.cuking hypocrites.

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    IBEC are as bad as any welfare sponger.

    They exist on corporate welfare paid out by the corrupt FF government to sustain these Non Productive parasites.

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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    I think given the circumstances I would have to agree with IBEC on this. The economy is becoming less competitive and a consequence of that is outsourcing of jobs to the Third World and Eastern Europe. The danger is that excessive public sector pay increases will become a benchmark for pay demands in the private sector, creating a wage-price spiral. Having said that, I don't believe we should have so large a public sector at all. Privatise all of the public sector except the civil-service, and Iarnróid Eireann and the security forces.That would take the politics out of the issue. It's unhealthy to have as situation where decisions on pay can be taken for political/electoral rather than rational reasons. The state of the public-finances, with a 5 billion euro deficit likely without corrective fiscal measures, underscores the necessity of what I mention.

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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Universal_001
    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
    Will they be practicing what they preach with a call for executive pay freeze?
    ...didn't think so.

    IBEC calling for wage controls is not news, calling for limits on speculation, profiteering and excessive executive (and government) pay...now THAT would be news.
    Universal_001, how many executives have we in this country and how many public servants have we. I think you will find that the latter is a significant multiple of the former and its us the taxpayers who have to pay for the increases.
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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Universal_001
    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
    Will they be practicing what they preach with a call for executive pay freeze?
    ...didn't think so.

    IBEC calling for wage controls is not news, calling for limits on speculation, profiteering and excessive executive (and government) pay...now THAT would be news.
    I remember when there was a slow down around 2001-2002 and IBEC called for wage restraint because it would affect our competitiveness. After the slow down and with a booming economy, IBEC again called for wage restraint because it would affect our competitiveness. If you're an average worker, IBEC wants you to show restraint all the time.

    I've never heard IBEC once say that property developers or those who displaced Irish workers in favour of immigrant labour should show restraint as it would have long term affects on society and individual household's ability to plan for their economic future.

    The first people who should show wage restraint are those clowns in the Dáil - maybe they should take a cut.

    Ireland's public service sector requires reform. However, it is not up to the vulture voice of IBEC to suggest anything with regards to wages.
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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerrygold
    Quote Originally Posted by Universal_001
    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
    Will they be practicing what they preach with a call for executive pay freeze?
    ...didn't think so.

    IBEC calling for wage controls is not news, calling for limits on speculation, profiteering and excessive executive (and government) pay...now THAT would be news.
    Indeed.

    I don't imagine many IBEC members are struggling to pay mortgage, utility, or food bills.

    F.cuking hypocrites.
    Where do you intend getting the money to pay for increases in public sector pay, the again I suppose socialists don't mind paying more taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    I think given the circumstances I would have to agree with IBEC on this. The economy is becoming less competitive and a consequence of that is outsourcing of jobs to the Third World and Eastern Europe. The danger is that excessive public sector pay increases will become a benchmark for pay demands in the private sector, creating a wage-price spiral. Having said that, I don't believe we should have so large a public sector at all. Privatise all of the public sector except the civil-service, and Iarnróid Eireann and the security forces.That would take the politics out of the issue. It's unhealthy to have as situation where decisions on pay can be taken for political/electoral rather than rational reasons. The state of the public-finances, with a 5 billion euro deficit likely without corrective fiscal measures, underscores the necessity of what I mention.
    It would also result in a huge revenue loss from the public services in the green, and lower quality services after they've been privatized.

    IBEC paying their employees ************************e is not a reason to pay public servants ************************e as well.
    What the public service needs is fundamental reform in terms of efficiency and productivity, not pay cuts.
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