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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    The reins wil have to be pulled in on public sector pay .Private sector will have job losses and payrises are going to stagnate for the next 2 - 3years.
    A champion of the people emerges with the age-old and appealing promise of "something for nothing" - to be financed through every-increasing taxes. Supply and demand are thrown out of gear - the overhead goes up; the effective use of human energy goes down; the standard of living is lowered because money cannot buy wealth that is not produced.

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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

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    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
    Will they be practicing what they preach with a call for executive pay freeze?
    ...didn't think so.

    IBEC calling for wage controls is not news, calling for limits on speculation, profiteering and excessive executive (and government) pay...now THAT would be news.
    Indeed.

    I don't imagine many IBEC members are struggling to pay mortgage, utility, or food bills.

    F.cuking hypocrites.
    Where do you intend getting the money to pay for increases in public sector pay, the again I suppose socialists don't mind paying more taxes.
    People who can afford it, such as IBEC CEO's, could pay more tax. How can you seriously ask low to middle income public sector employees to accept a pay freeze when the cost of living continues to spiral out of control and while the likes of Brendan Drumm and other State employed CEO's have recieved huge pay increases.

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    Well said FT fairplay.No more vote buying.
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    I think given the circumstances I would have to agree with IBEC on this. The economy is becoming less competitive and a consequence of that is outsourcing of jobs to the Third World and Eastern Europe. The danger is that excessive public sector pay increases will become a benchmark for pay demands in the private sector, creating a wage-price spiral. Having said that, I don't believe we should have so large a public sector at all. Privatise all of the public sector except the civil-service, and Iarnróid Eireann and the security forces.That would take the politics out of the issue. It's unhealthy to have as situation where decisions on pay can be taken for political/electoral rather than rational reasons. The state of the public-finances, with a 5 billion euro deficit likely without corrective fiscal measures, underscores the necessity of what I mention.
    A champion of the people emerges with the age-old and appealing promise of "something for nothing" - to be financed through every-increasing taxes. Supply and demand are thrown out of gear - the overhead goes up; the effective use of human energy goes down; the standard of living is lowered because money cannot buy wealth that is not produced.

    WEAVER, HENRY GRADY,

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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Private sector will have job losses and payrises are going to stagnate for the next 2 - 3years.
    How does this ^^^^^^

    The reins wil have to be pulled in on public sector pay .
    Mean this ^^^^^
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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerrygold
    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankSpeaks
    IBEC have proposed that we should have a public sector pay freeze for the good of the country and for the life of me I can't think of any good reason to disagree with this proposal. Anybody care to change my mind?
    Will they be practicing what they preach with a call for executive pay freeze?
    ...didn't think so.

    IBEC calling for wage controls is not news, calling for limits on speculation, profiteering and excessive executive (and government) pay...now THAT would be news.
    Indeed.

    I don't imagine many IBEC members are struggling to pay mortgage, utility, or food bills.

    F.cuking hypocrites.
    Where do you intend getting the money to pay for increases in public sector pay, the again I suppose socialists don't mind paying more taxes.
    People who can afford it, such as IBEC CEO's, could pay more tax. How can you seriously ask low to middle income public sector employees to accept a pay freeze when the cost of living continues to spiral out of control and while the likes of Brendan Drumm and other State employed CEO's have recieved huge pay increases.
    The number of business executives is vastly outnumbered by the number of public servants. How can they alone pay for increases in public sector pay its mathematically impossible.
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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Less taxation,vat, prsi to the exchequer to pay the public sector spending.You see company increases output more vat ,more employed more income tax,employee prsi, employers prsi, more corporation tax.All to pay for your lovely wages.
    Quote Originally Posted by Universal_001
    Private sector will have job losses and payrises are going to stagnate for the next 2 - 3years.
    How does this ^^^^^^

    [quote:h286iyl9]The reins wil have to be pulled in on public sector pay .
    Mean this ^^^^^[/quote:h286iyl9]
    A champion of the people emerges with the age-old and appealing promise of "something for nothing" - to be financed through every-increasing taxes. Supply and demand are thrown out of gear - the overhead goes up; the effective use of human energy goes down; the standard of living is lowered because money cannot buy wealth that is not produced.

    WEAVER, HENRY GRADY,

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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by atlantic
    Less taxation,vat, prsi to the exchequer to pay the public sector spending.You see company increases output more vat ,more employed more income tax,employee prsi, employers prsi, more corporation tax.All to pay for your lovely wages.
    Quote Originally Posted by Universal_001
    Private sector will have job losses and payrises are going to stagnate for the next 2 - 3years.
    How does this ^^^^^^

    [quote:28fzvn5m]The reins wil have to be pulled in on public sector pay .
    Mean this ^^^^^
    [/quote:28fzvn5m]

    So public sector employees should be punished for the business failures of the private sector?
    You don't need pay cuts to save money from the public service.
    It was the insane gambling of businessmen on property that helped get us into this mess, don't' expect the rest of us to pick up the bill for them.
    Eveyone pays taxes, and us great unwashed don't have dozens of loopholes to get out of payin it.
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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Why not share the pain by introducing a new 60% tax rate for prople making over 100K pa?

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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    Quote Originally Posted by TradCat
    Why not share the pain by introducing a new 60% tax rate for prople making over 100K pa?
    You don't think thats a bit too high?
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    Re: IBEC Proposal on Public Sector Pay Freeze

    pay restraint and the likes almost a contast mantra from IBEC and related organisations, just as in the same way that ICTU and co are constantly calling for pay increases, etc, so in and of itself i'd not be overly concerned about what either vested interest pressure group says.

    what is important however is that recession or no, benchmarking and its ilk have driven up pubic pay costs considerably and often without any of or much of the productivity increases that were factored into the benchmarking process. there needs to be serious restraint shown by all, espically those in as secure employment such as the public service, particularly considering that its working in the private sector that will take the brunt of the wage freezes, pay cuts, and redundancies.... whilst those in the public sector face far less security risks
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