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    Betson Betson is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    There are two issues that I see, local and national. Its questionable whether data centres are of national benefit but in a small town, the spinoff in direct jobs and local services would have been significant.
    Would have been huge for a small town , 100 permanent jobs does not sound much, but for small towns employers like this are very thin on the ground. Not to mention the 300 or so construction jobs that would have been a huge boost to the local economy while the centre was been built.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw103 View Post
    There are 800 data Centres in California. California is running out of water so when you combine that with the divergence between data laws in Europe and the US there are sure to be plenty of companies looking to set up over here.

    A major tech company is expanding its data centre again in West Dublin.

    Government needs a strategy about where these centres are going to be put, given the amount of water they need to function, and a stream lined process for any challenges to decisions. They should zone areas where centres can be placed now so the dispute process can begin before companies are invited over, challenging each individual data centre is too time consuming.
    Actually according to this article by Adrian Weckler it is already an approach being adopted:

    "The IDA, which is the entity most likely to hear of concerns about investing in Ireland first, is acutely aware of all of this. It recently initiated a process by which potential new data centre sites around the country could see planning permission sought ahead of actual tenants being found for the sites."

    https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36892864.html
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    Planning law is planning law...up the the Government to sort it out....the problem they will have is making one law for big business and another for the working man trying to put up a small shed or porch extension....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw103 View Post
    Actually according to this article by Adrian Weckler it is already an approach being adopted:

    "The IDA, which is the entity most likely to hear of concerns about investing in Ireland first, is acutely aware of all of this. It recently initiated a process by which potential new data centre sites around the country could see planning permission sought ahead of actual tenants being found for the sites."

    https://www.independent.ie/business/...-36892864.html
    It makes Varadkar's self-confessed "interference" in Doonbeg all the more bizarre.

    The IDA seem happier to express concerns over wind farms than escalate this to national level.

    It also seems to be odd that Eoghan Murphy is happy to wield changes to the planning laws to ensure FG cronies get to build homes but the Minister for Enterprise can't do the same.
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    Athenry can kiss goodbye to any future investment.
    Not just from Apple, but any other large employer.
    There's no way any multinational will choose that location again. Not worth the headache, especially when many other places want them (and their jobs).
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    Real shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ger12 View Post
    Real shame.
    to be fair it is a real shame
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roll_On View Post
    Why is this a bad thing. Apple offered no proposals to generate their own energy on site, they just wanted to place a massive drain on the national grid, let the tax payer pay the fines for not hitting renewables targets, while creating only about a dozen jobs. Those jobs would cost the tax payer tens of millions per year.

    Their Danish facility, now operational, uses geothermal and solar energy for the bulk of it's needs. Let them propose something similar here and no doubt they'll be heard out.
    What makes you think that would have made any difference to the objectors?

    Our planning (objection) system is not driven by rational processes, generally speaking. It is driven by selfish interests normally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    It makes Varadkar's self-confessed "interference" in Doonbeg all the more bizarre.

    The IDA seem happier to express concerns over wind farms than escalate this to national level.

    It also seems to be odd that Eoghan Murphy is happy to wield changes to the planning laws to ensure FG cronies get to build homes but the Minister for Enterprise can't do the same.
    you know, when you stay on topic, your posts can be worth reading
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orbit v2 View Post
    What makes you think that would have made any difference to the objectors?

    Our planning (objection) system is not driven by rational processes, generally speaking. It is driven by selfish interests normally.
    As I understand it one objector was a local environmentalist and the other was the owner of an alternate site. Both had deep pockets and thatís whatís needed to game the legal system in Ireland. They donít call it the Four Goldmines for nothing.
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