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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    Planning laws in Ireland not fit for purpose.

    In cities they can't build houses where they're needed and in the country they can't build to attract much needed jobs.

    There's too many rights and not enough responsibilities associated with the process.
    Not to mention buildings above 5 stories getting rejected for being too high absolutely laughably restrictive planning laws in this country which badly needs to change to make any kind of progression at all.
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    Why is this a bad thing. Apple offered no proposals to generate their own energy on site, they just wanted to place a massive drain on the national grid, let the tax payer pay the fines for not hitting renewables targets, while creating only about a dozen jobs. Those jobs would cost the tax payer tens of millions per year.

    Their Danish facility, now operational, uses geothermal and solar energy for the bulk of it's needs. Let them propose something similar here and no doubt they'll be heard out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    Data centers are the future and Ireland's west coast has the kind of temperate climate to suit the development and management of them.

    There may be limited employment, but there's SOME and what there is will be well paid.
    That employment is too much of a drain on public finances. If data centres can provide 90% of their own energy needs they'd have a point.
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    Very very disappointing. Our planning laws urgently need reviewing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volatire View Post
    Data centres are rubbish.

    The local massage parlour does more for the town and is a better employer.
    It's a bit early for the gargle no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    Very very disappointing. Our planning laws urgently need reviewing.
    Its another example of the inability of our government systems to act decisively. Our biggest problem is the legal cartel, every delay becomes a big earner for lawyers.
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    Brian McDonagh is one of three brothers who, in 2007, paid €22 million for land in Wicklow, funded by Ulster Bank. They applied for permission for “the world’s largest data centre”, using a company, Ecologic Data Centres.
    And sher there was Brian, walking as he does every day in Athenry, when he saw the planning permission sign from Apple, and Brian said "No. No. This far and no more man, this is an area of outstanding beauty and no one should build on it. Now if they want to build in the barren wasteland of Wicklow, that would be fine. I may even know a spot where it could go."

    To the Supreme Court!
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    There are two issues that I see, local and national. Its questionable whether data centres are of national benefit but in a small town, the spinoff in direct jobs and local services would have been significant.
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    There are 800 data Centres in California. California is running out of water so when you combine that with the divergence between data laws in Europe and the US there are sure to be plenty of companies looking to set up over here.

    A major tech company is expanding its data centre again in West Dublin.

    Government needs a strategy about where these centres are going to be put, given the amount of water they need to function, and a stream lined process for any challenges to decisions. They should zone areas where centres can be placed now so the dispute process can begin before companies are invited over, challenging each individual data centre is too time consuming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    And sher there was Brian, walking as he does every day in Athenry, when he saw the planning permission sign from Apple, and Brian said "No. No. This far and no more man, this is an area of outstanding beauty and no one should build on it. Now if they want to build in the barren wasteland of Wicklow, that would be fine. I may even know a spot where it could go."

    To the Supreme Court!
    It's bizarre that planning processes are allowed to become hijacked by individuals' conflicting business interests.

    It's a real symptom of our gombeen culture that we can't differentiate between common good and trying to make a bit of money from land.
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