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    Dame_Enda Dame_Enda is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    We have a veto. If this is not the case then we were lied to. The fact that this is on the agenda now means that there are clearly some slimy manoeuvrings going on at EU level to rob us of our sovereignty. The EU is about empire and its powers should not be enhanced. It is totally illegitimate and were it a nation, it would not qualify for EU entry as it would not meet the democracy criteria. It is illegitimate and all forms of resistance against it are justified.
    Article 116 doesn't say we have a veto in that case. The OLP is QMV.
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    Look at this sh1t:

    https://euobserver.com/institutional/139630

    They are trying to further erode national sovereignty. Expect the next treaty to more or less end it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Article 116 doesn't say we have a veto in that case. The OLP is QMV.
    Even as applied to direct taxation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    Even as applied to direct taxation?
    The ECJ will end up deciding in a dispute over that I suspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBoogaloo View Post
    Ditto. Twice.
    I voted yes and no. Got it wrong both times, but for me the people had spoken in the first referendum. I hadn't agreed with the outcome, but vox populi, vox dei and all that.
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    I hate the attitude of those who support Ireland's tax haven carry-on.

    'Hey we're Irish, if we don't cheat, we will lose. We're born losers. We have to cheat. We don't have what it takes to compete on a level playing field'.

    This attitude is pathetic and insulting; I don't buy the idea that the corporations would flee if we properly implemented our 12.5% rate. Not for one second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    I voted yes and no. Got it wrong both times, but for me the people had spoken in the first referendum. I hadn't agreed with the outcome, but vox populi, vox dei and all that.
    Fair play Des. That shows real integrity.
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    If I remember correctly there were 3 or 4 promises made to swing the second vote on the Lisbon Treaty. As far as I know, none of these have been carried into Law. With the forced repayment to bondholders, the robbing of our fishing stocks and the likely takeover of the level of corporation tax (and any other fiscal instrument that suits them), it would seem an oportune time to get out of EU. This would also resolve the border debacle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northsideman View Post
    That's bollix, it means we ca no longer can make major decisions that effect what happens within our OWN borders, we are now a puppet state and FF and SF are loving it and defending it.
    What is bollix is to think that 'we' have any control what happens within our own borders - this country is bent over taking up the rear end from the banks, clonglomerates, spivs and speculators.
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    lets hope the current brexit negotiatons will crash the eu project into the ground.
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