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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    Its just the latest example of the PS feathering its own nest. There are already numerous cases of budgets inventing new taxes for others but making sure it doesn't apply to the PS.

    Take BIK , crippling on company car and health insurance ....neither of which apply to the PS ...but free parking , apparently thats not a benefit even though it would cost you in the region of € 55 per week if you had to pay for it yourself in Dublin

    The theres USC , an extra 3% on company directors and the self employed ...but the mandarins in the PS made sure they were exempt.

    And you can get extra years pensions , no tax liability ....but dividends and profits attract the full 55%

    Lots of examples of PS perks being tax free , but anything thats almost exclusively private sector being taxed .......

    The pension levy robbery while PS pensions barely blipped

    Been going on for years , so this latest bit of PS enriching sophistry doesnt suprise me one bit

    But tell me who I can vote for to tackle the bloat incompetence waste and greed in Irelands PS .....not 1 political party will take it on
    Well, BIK wouldn't apply to PS, because PS don't get their health insurance paid. Imagine the public service giving out about having to pay BIK on something that the private sector didn't get...you'd do your nut.

    Also, not sure that public servants get company cars.

    I have free parking in Dublin City Centre - private sector - and do not pay tax...because, nobody does.

    As for this bullsh1t story from the bank-loan writedown grabbing Indo, it's misleading rubbish. This change in pension age impacts everybody who is entitled to a State pension. A State pension is different from a pension from one's employer which happens to be the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norman Bates View Post
    It's stupid, but typical.

    Legislation, especially taxes, should cover and apply to all citizens equally [NO exemptions] .... from the President right the whole way down ... imo
    Tbf, that's only about a four foot drop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Well, BIK wouldn't apply to PS, because PS don't get their health insurance paid. Imagine the public service giving out about having to pay BIK on something that the private sector didn't get...you'd do your nut.

    Also, not sure that public servants get company cars.

    I have free parking in Dublin City Centre - private sector - and do not pay tax...because, nobody does.

    As for this bullsh1t story from the bank-loan writedown grabbing Indo, it's misleading rubbish. This change in pension age impacts everybody who is entitled to a State pension. A State pension is different from a pension from one's employer which happens to be the State.
    Generally speaking public sector dont get cars. But they get mileage. And the self-employed cant get the same mileage (some private sector employers give it, but by no means all).

    And if you have a civil servant driving a Category F emission car for 10,000km pa they claim north of €5k. If a self employed person does the same mileage in the same car (and also does another 10k private mileage) the self employed gets something in the region of €1500.

    Why the difference? becuse the self employed is not allowed claim civil service mileage rates.

    It is a complete scam - just like the pensions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uganda View Post
    Generally speaking public sector dont get cars. But they get mileage. And the self-employed cant get the same mileage (some private sector employers give it, but by no means all).

    And if you have a civil servant driving a Category F emission car for 10,000km pa they claim north of €5k. If a self employed person does the same mileage in the same car (and also does another 10k private mileage) the self employed gets something in the region of €1500.

    Why the difference? becuse the self employed is not allowed claim civil service mileage rates.

    It is a complete scam - just like the pensions.
    Are there restrictions in the private sector, for what mileage can be claimed on? Can every mile driven by that car be tax deductible? Public service is for work journeys only...and not driving from home to work/work to home, afaik.

    As usual with all of these things, though, it's not a private/public sector divide, the better off in each sector which is looked after.

    What pension scam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Well, BIK wouldn't apply to PS, because PS don't get their health insurance paid. Imagine the public service giving out about having to pay BIK on something that the private sector didn't get...you'd do your nut.

    Also, not sure that public servants get company cars.

    I have free parking in Dublin City Centre - private sector - and do not pay tax...because, nobody does.

    As for this bullsh1t story from the bank-loan writedown grabbing Indo, it's misleading rubbish. This change in pension age impacts everybody who is entitled to a State pension. A State pension is different from a pension from one's employer which happens to be the State.
    Yep - it's been worded to annoy the mouth-breathers and, as this thread already shows, it has scored a bullseye!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    Yep - it's been worded to annoy the mouth-breathers and, as this thread already shows, it has scored a bullseye!
    The most annoying thing about the thread is the mis-use of the word 'only', in the thread title
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    The most annoying thing about the thread is the mis-use of the word 'only', in the thread title

    But he's from Wexford. A UNESCO recognised cretin belt. Hence the election of tax thief Mick Wallace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShoutingIsLeadership View Post
    Well, BIK wouldn't apply to PS, because PS don't get their health insurance paid. Imagine the public service giving out about having to pay BIK on something that the private sector didn't get...you'd do your nut.

    Also, not sure that public servants get company cars.

    I have free parking in Dublin City Centre - private sector - and do not pay tax...because, nobody does.

    As for this bullsh1t story from the bank-loan writedown grabbing Indo, it's misleading rubbish. This change in pension age impacts everybody who is entitled to a State pension. A State pension is different from a pension from one's employer which happens to be the State.
    Way to miss the point ...BIK is crippling and applies to almost exclusively Private sector perks ....any perks also enjoyed by the PS as well don't get charged punitive BIK rates


    And yes everyone who is entitled to a state pension .........i.e. private sector workers because PS are covered by (an unbelievably generous) occupational pension

    BTW which gives them massive tax free lump sums .........

    How come ......yep ,now you're getting it
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    Quote Originally Posted by brughahaha View Post
    Way to miss the point ...BIK is crippling and applies to almost exclusively Private sector perks ....any perks also enjoyed by the PS as well don't get charged punitive BIK rates


    And yes everyone who is entitled to a state pension .........i.e. private sector workers because PS are covered by (an unbelievably generous) occupational pension

    BTW which gives them massive tax free lump sums .........

    How come ......yep ,now you're getting it
    What PS perks would you like BIKed? Any detail on that? I might find myself in agreement with you, if you can share some of them.

    Any details on the "unbelievably generous" public service pensions? We all know the headline pensions achieved by the higher echelons, but we also know of the tax deductible pension contributions enjoyed by the upper echelons of the private sector. Would you describe the pension of a nurse as unbelievably generous?
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...sions-1.513235

    There is a lot of focus on the top end of pensions in the public service but it is important to note the figures I have just quoted.
    “These large pensions are not representative.
    “It must be stressed that 38 per cent of civil servants are on occupational pensions of €10,000 or less and 25 per cent have pensions . . . of €5,000 or less – some people may, of course, have other pension income, but these numbers show that commentators should be very cautious about claiming that pensions are excessive.” The Minister told an Oireachtas committee that the final figures for those who left the public service ahead of pension changes introduced in March showed that 7,897 people had retired.
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