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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    1. LPT could fully cover for and replace development levies
    2. VAT - use lower vat on building similarly to food, maybe even set 0% rate
    3. Lower regulations regarding number of lifts, windows, parking spaces, minimum apartment sizes etc would allow building cheaper units in areas where people want them or/and can't afford luxury spec apartments.
    4. Link LPT with floor area, split LPT to home floor area and land area, so 10 apts over each other would share the tax burden over whatever land they take.
    5. Tax all residential land, no matter if used or not. This would offset LPT in that way that LPT + land tax wouldn't be higher than the current LPT for majority of people.
    6. Land tax rates set by local authorities, obviously higher in more posh areas to provide for local services, replace development levies etc etc.


    these are just few most obvious points
    Land taxes on development land can be very destabilising for the construction industry because land earns no income barring car parks. Land banks with deep pockets play an essential role in providing builders with land, often accumulating sites over very long periods to prevent spikes in prices.
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    Its naive to blame 'nimbys'. 'People power' isnt really a thing in this country.
    More likely some manipulation by our Thatcherite politicians/media to 'engineer' a situation beneficial to landlords,developers,bankers and estate agents.

    Dont you know the 'radical' Green party has been 'encouraging' renting for ages?
    Constantly we are told that 'owning' a house is a thing of the past,some primitive post colonial fetish.
    Unless you're 'a player' of course.
    Why waste your time working to buy a house for you and yours ,when you 'should' be handing your cash over to some greasy , disinterested landlord and his progeny?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    No.

    But when we built 90k homes in a year then everything went bust. We were left with plenty of empty stock, prices have fallen big time.
    When we built 0 per year - well, we see what we have now.

    I think the estimates are for 35-45k homes per year - that's what's needed.

    We'd be probably good with 50k homes per year and this would move prices slowly down in some areas.

    Not sure where the equilibrium is. Maybe around 40k?
    The census says the housing stock has remained almost unchanged since the crash. A lot of housing is unoccupied, whether built where there is no need or in need of major renovations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patslatt1 View Post
    Competition limits pricing power of sellers, which would force tax cuts to be passed through to buyers.
    The same with land. Double the available zoned residential land and see speculative land prices fall. Housing costs would follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patslatt1 View Post
    Land taxes on development land can be very destabilising for the construction industry because land earns no income barring car parks. Land banks with deep pockets play an essential role in providing builders with land, often accumulating sites over very long periods to prevent spikes in prices.
    Few would lose, majority would gain.
    Land taxes are a normal thing in many countries with no housing crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Ross fighting plans to build 108 homes in his constituency - Independent.ie




    anybody knows what's the status of these 108 homes?
    Those homes will be built in a field in Carlow.

    The people can drive 100 plus cars to Dublin everyday. There and back.

    Because Ireland is NOT importing enough fossil fuels as things stand.

    And putting people in Carlow means that some FF backed developer hits bonanza.

    More brown envelopes.

    Happy Carbon Footprint Friday !!
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    The Planning Department under Coveney, and before him under Coffey and O'Sullivan, over-turned zoning attempts, on over-zoning or bad/inappropriate zoning. This is the Ministers since Gormley defending the 'core strategy' planning legislation of 2010, which amongst other things, allocates population targets. Google it if you want more info. This are strong developer led and political moves to challenge this. One in Sallins LAP, is being challenged in the high court by the developer so will be interesting to see how that turns out.

    I think VAT reductions in strategic areas for a limited time is worth exploring. I would favour reducing planning levies for units with higher BER ratings. I think planning should be more proactive in leading the way and less 'reacting to applications that come in with little or no input from Councils beforehand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    Few would lose, majority would gain.
    Land taxes are a normal thing in many countries with no housing crisis.
    Where? Those countries must have very generous banks supplying liquidity to owners of land banks which generally have no steady income. Those countries must also have very easy environmental regulations on land development to keep developed land supply steady.
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    State regulation, of planning, banking, industrial development, transport and stat employment have combined to produce this disaster.

    Wait for it - the state will now push itself forward as the solution.
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    The Government should then appoint a National Infrastructure Commission to insulate the delivery of the infrastructure from the rampant IMBYism of the Irish political culture.

    Building the way to manage our boom/bust cycle better - Independent.ie
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