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    Quote Originally Posted by Taidhg Gaelach View Post
    Well, you have to consider where did mortgage credit come from during the bubble. It was from outside Ireland. Those sources dried up for reasons that Ireland would have had no control over - even if our régime had behaved itself. Regarding repossessions, it's interesting that Moody's favours the current policy of mortgage restructuring rather than repossession.

    https://www.moodys.com/research/Mood...ors--PR_361287


    And, of course, quite apart from the disruptive effects of large scale repossessions to asset prices, we must consider that housing does have other functions than bank profitability. There is the question of homes being needed by real Irish families, who must supply our nation with our future generations of children. As for nonperforming loans to property speculators, as opposed to genuine families, as we see with the AIB sale to a Goldman Sachs vulture fund, there is a market for these loans. AIB must have taken a hell of a haircut when they were too embarrassed to let anyone know what Goldman paid, but the point is that such loan books can be shifted.

    But, needless to say, that raises another fundamental question. Rather than selling those loans off dirt cheap to Goldman Sachs, would it not have been far more socially responsible for the government here, though its bank AIB, to sell those homes to real Irish families who are currently excluded from owning a home by lack of collateral. Young, healthy, heterosexual couples should be helped into these houses. Their repayments would then be lowered with each Irish baby they give to the nation. In that way, we can reverse the death of our people and produce a thriving nation.
    A SUPERNANNNY state! A government with that power could impose a bathroom use tax on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patslatt1 View Post
    A SUPERNANNNY state! A government with that power could impose a bathroom use tax on you.
    You know, that's like something Alex Jones would say. The Irish are a dying race. We need to use all the means at our disposal, including the state, to reverse that demographic collapse. Your personal "freedom" is a good deal less important that the survival of our race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_anderson View Post
    Planning restrictions and NIMBY opposition impose very high land prices.
    That I agree with.

    But NIMBY isn't stopping high-rise in Dublin City Centre.
    Those deciding on DCC planning don't necessarily live in the city centre.
    I've gone for planning on a couple of projects within DCC, but none have encountered local opposition - none.
    Yet some have still been turned down.

    It's not the locals.
    SHADOWS ON GEORGIAN HOUSES

    There are two reason for planning refusals on high rises in DCC: Shadows must not fall on Georgian houses, while councillors and planners don't realise that high rises of up to 40 stories can have very attractive amenities. In Manhattan, prices of high rise apartments can be in the millions.

    Experience of Ballymun high rises which had good construction quality standards gave high rises a bad name in Dublin because those buildings were unsuitable for families and lacked a balanced social mix. But had they been rented to elderly pensioners and single people in socially mixed tenancies, the experience would have been good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Man or Mouse View Post
    That is not the entirety of their input to so many things wrong around the country. The NIMBYs also saw to it that Coty/Proctor & Gamble were not allowed build a wind turbine to cut electrical costs. Effect? Factory is closing down with loss of over 200 jobs.

    Well done NIMBYs.
    Where was the factory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Man or Mouse View Post
    The last one there is exacerbated by a lack of imagination. So many of the levies and charges you mention should be spread out over 40/50 years rather than a lump sum front loaded on the price of a house.

    This of course would mean a real property tax regime where taxes pay for specific things. We couldn't have that in Ireland though, could we, where government is brow beaten by a rabble of pay for nothing water protesters and their mouthy spokespeople.
    REAL LOCAL GOVERNMENT

    We also need real local government instead of councillors that rubber stamp authoritarian decisions of county and city managers. True accountability for spending our taxes is hobbled by the present system. Of course, strict rules would be needed to prevent bailouts of irresponsible councils if power is restored to councillors. An important reform would be introduction of elected mayors with strong executive powers but presumably the government fears this would provide platforms for Sinn Fein and hard leftys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taidhg Gaelach View Post
    You know, that's like something Alex Jones would say. The Irish are a dying race. We need to use all the means at our disposal, including the state, to reverse that demographic collapse. Your personal "freedom" is a good deal less important that the survival of our race.
    80,000 IMMIGRANTS A YEAR

    They should take care of our population growth. Many of them will outf**k us yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    NIMBY Ross may have won that one - but he lost this one!

    Transport Minister Shane Ross hits out at planning approval for 63 homes in his constituency
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voluntary View Post
    The council should buy that land and install a halting site.
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    We need to go up, not out!
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    Anyone know about some planning issue in Dublin recently, 1,000 units, 400 of them social housing ? Apparently, permission was granted but the alphabets voted against it. An alphabet supporter, rather than a member, got a tongue lashing about it today but she says she knows nothing about it. I've been looking online, but the only thing I could find is the aforementioned Mount Merrion plan.
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