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    Housing Bubble - Let it burst?

    We all know that the housing market is in the toilet at the moment. The banks, estate agents* and developers are desperately trying to avoid a big whallop. Would it be better if we just took the pain and rebuilt the economy from a low base in a more export focussed and healthy manner?

    *It could be said that the estate agents want a big whallop as long as it get's the market moving.
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    A big wallop will bring down at least one bank with it. Maybe that's inevitable, but you can bet that they'll resist it tooth and nail
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    Yup.
    Artifically inflating it is just that - keeping it at an artificial level.

    And why should people who made an investment like property be bailed out by the exchequer?
    Will I get a cut in CGT to reimburse me for my (hypothetical) losses on the stock market recently?

    I also agree with the rebuilding of the economy sentiment.

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    yes. but i would have advocated this approach two and a half to three years ago. I remember seeing a cabinet member, possibly brennan, on Q&A around then talking about the boom and its effect of maximising economic growth and thinking "would a policy of sustained economic growth not be preferable?". Now we have to deal with the effects of a retracting industry.

    Sure some people made a load of money, but that is just other people's debt. And we employed a load of people that now have to be laid off and possibly supported through the social welfare system. We unneceassarily created all these problems because the government were too short sighted to do anything about it (like encourage the central bank to slap down retail banks on their loose lending policies)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akrasia
    A big wallop will bring down at least one bank with it. Maybe that's inevitable, but you can bet that they'll resist it tooth and nail
    That's why the banks are playing down the drops and the estate agents are playing them up. It was a thread on ThePropertyPin.com that made me think of this. They reckon the Vested Interests now have conflicting interests in the message they must get across.
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    Don't hold your breath waiting for this bubble to burst!
    We have been told for the last few months that it's going to blow yet what we have seen is house prices drop back over the year about 10%. This hasn't hurt anyone except last year's first time buyers. The rest of the property owners made their gains a few years ago.

    It looks more likely since interest rates are still low that the decline will be more gradual. Again it really only affects first time buyers financially, but they drive the rest of the market. I'm not sure the stagnation is going to affect anyone except sellers who have to make quick sales and the odd developer who may have over-reached during the good times. Most seller/buyers are looking to move house and the differentials are remaining much the same along the spectrum of the property ladder.

    Another 10% drop this year won't hurt too many people either.
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    Let the market find it own base.

    No government interference (2 bacon and 2 goes at stamp duty are enough). Positive or negative.

    No bailouts. Tough luck to losers - commercial or residential. People and business must pay for their poor choices eg 100% interest only mortgage in Meath miles from anywhere or lending to those fools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meriwether
    Yup.
    Artifically inflating it is just that - keeping it at an artificial level.

    And why should people who made an investment like property be bailed out by the exchequer?
    Will I get a cut in CGT to reimburse me for my (hypothetical) losses on the stock market recently?

    I also agree with the rebuilding of the economy sentiment.
    You can set off captial losses against any capital gains. Has to be in the same tax year though. Sell many sites on the farm last year to offset those ISEQ losses Meri?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarD
    Don't hold your breath waiting for this bubble to burst!
    We have been told for the last few months that it's going to blow yet what we have seen is house prices drop back over the year about 10%. This hasn't hurt anyone except last year's first time buyers. The rest of the property owners made their gains a few years ago.

    It looks more likely since interest rates are still low that the decline will be more gradual. Again it really only affects first time buyers financially, but they drive the rest of the market. I'm not sure the stagnation is going to affect anyone except sellers who have to make quick sales and the odd developer who may have over-reached during the good times. Most seller/buyers are looking to move house and the differentials are remaining much the same along the spectrum of the property ladder.

    Another 10% drop this year won't hurt too many people either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarD
    Don't hold your breath waiting for this bubble to burst!
    We have been told for the last few months that it's going to blow yet what we have seen is house prices drop back over the year about 10%. This hasn't hurt anyone except last year's first time buyers. The rest of the property owners made their gains a few years ago.
    That's if you believe those figures. As for who gets hurt. It's not just house owners. You also have people working for estate agents, mortgage lenders, developers, solicitors and all the different support services.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarD
    It looks more likely since interest rates are still low that the decline will be more gradual.
    As long as the interest portion of a mortgage for a property is greater than the rent it is unattractive to buy. Interest rates aren't that low.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarD
    Another 10% drop this year won't hurt too many people either.
    The EAs will be laughing. The banks and developers will not.
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