Fianna Fail/PD economic policies based on immigration

[lostexpectation]

Interesting article http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/stor ... qqqx=1.asp

Migration issue will be crucial to productivity

However, in an increasingly complex world, something’s remain refreshingly simple. For example, when we cut through the jargon, the economic output of any country boils down to two factors - the number of people at work and the amount that they produce while they are on the job.

From this, it is reasonable to suggest that potential GDP (gross domestic product) growth ultimately depends on labour force growth and productivity growth.

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This reflects the fact that about two thirds of our recent population growth has been due to net migration, and migrants tend to be working-aged job seekers (82 per cent of PPS [personal public service] numbers allocated to foreign nationals last year went to people aged between 15 and 44).

This unusually high rate of labour force growth has been the enabling factor in another year of economic out-performance.

squash this idea that its labour and sf who pro-immigration.

[FutureTaoiseach]

"Productivity" shouldn't become a byword for displacement and exploitation based on cheap-labour undercutting Irish rates.

[MookieBaylock]

the title of this thread is a very very true statement.

[moloney]

if the immigrants leave why can t we try and attract the diaspora

[FutureTaoiseach]

if the immigrants leave why can t we try and attract the diaspora

Exactly I would support that. But then they are not "cheap labour" so the politicians don't want them.

[dub006]

There is also social displacement as social housing is prioritised for immigrants with families over single Irish people.

Rents have skyrocketed in Dublin as a consequence of immigration.
The massive bubble in house prices was in part due to immigration (AIB research showed a third of the increase in house in prices was directly attibutable to immigration)

This means those Irish people who needed to rent or purchase houses to live in ,in the past few years have paid a substantial immigration premium.

Driving economic growth through numbers at work is a third world approach to increasing wealth.
In rich economies greater productivity is achieved by highly qualified people engaged in work where value added to the economy is high and where stress on the public infrastructure is less.

Government policy should have been directed towards massive R&D development and the establishment of high quality indigenous employment..
An IT specialist for example will add value to the economy through his output many times the value added from masses of construction workers.
The same individual will not be reliant on social housing or the public health system whereas the enormous numbers of immigrants working in low skill industries are more dependent on public services.


Fianna Fail have privatised the the profits from immigration and nationalised the costs.

[MookieBaylock]

for once I agree with FT!

[Twin Towers]

Fianna Fail have privatised the the profits from immigration and nationalised the costs.

Thats very true and the alternatives to Fianna Fail will do the same. We need a new alternative, a diaspora friendly alternative.

[FutureTaoiseach]

I think immigration from the Irish Diaspora would be far more acceptable to the Irish public because the questions of integration don't arise, nor do those of displacement on the basis of being cheap labour. I hope it gains support among our politicians, but I have a feeling it won't because the fatcats want cheap labour, not decently-paid labour, from our immigration policy. At the same time there has to be limits to how many can come each year even from the Diaspora for infrastructural reasons e.g. school space, hospitals etc.. But they should certainly be allowed to acquire citizenship easier than the rest. An annual quota from the Diaspora should be let in - say 50,000. It would ease public fears about the country losing its Irishness. If there are any politicians on this forum I would be interested in their views on a law of return.

[moloney]

the diaspora would revive irishness the are mostly well educated and when they move back they would have to buy many things it could also revive our economy
the german economic wunder in the sixties came up partly because german refugees had to move from the old german territories it wouldn t be exactly the same thing but similair effects could arise