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    Cowen plays politics with the economy

    Expert report says tough Budget 'unjustified' and 'no rationale' behind minister's figures

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 00589.html

    Didn't the same happen in 2002????
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    Silly story from a silly newspaper.

    Cowen would love to spend like a socialist, it would enhance his popularity with the backbenchers no end, there is no rational as to why he would talk down the economy, there is plenty of rationale as to why he is ajusting budgetry policy to suit fiscal prudency.
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    A politician playing politics with policy imagine that.

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    Re: Cowen plays politics with the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tipp North
    Expert report says tough Budget 'unjustified' and 'no rationale' behind minister's figures

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 00589.html

    Didn't the same happen in 2002????
    This is what the article you linked to says in relation to Cowen's downgrading of the economic forecasts:

    In the article NCB said:

    "In our view all of the revisions are in the wrong direction. The GDP forecast for this year compares with a 6.7 per cent growth rate actually achieved in the first half of the year, and implies an implausibly sharp slowing down in the second half, the evidence for which is entirely lacking in the data available for the period since mid-year."

    This is EXACTLY what myself and Ard-Taoiseach have been posting here for months. We could have written the NCB statement ourselves. I doubt if Cowen has a cunning plan for 2012. Its far more likely he has succumbed to the prevailing opinion of most economists. Organisations like ESRI and Davy, plus individuals like David McWilliams, Morgan Kelly and George Lee have all been predicting a serious downturn. If everyone is shouting in his ear "We're doomed, we're doomed", then he can hardly be blamed for moving his own forecasts in the direction of the doomsters. The only cure for him is read Politics.ie occasionally and study my posts and even more so Ard-Taoiseach's posts . Then he'd realise that fears of a downturn are ludicrously exaggerated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defeated Romanticist
    Silly story from a silly newspaper.

    Cowen would love to spend like a socialist but, it would enhance his popularity with the backbenchers no end, there is no rational as o why he would talk down the economy, there is plenty of rationale as to why he is ajusting budgetry policy to suit fiscal prudency.
    I'm no economist, but it sounds to me like Biffo is being suitably careful.

    Well done to him (unless I'm wrong of course) for showing restraint.
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    Re: Cowen plays politics with the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by freedomlover
    Quote Originally Posted by Tipp North
    Expert report says tough Budget 'unjustified' and 'no rationale' behind minister's figures

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 00589.html

    Didn't the same happen in 2002????
    This is what the article you linked to says in relation to Cowen's downgrading of the economic forecasts:

    In the article NCB said:

    "In our view all of the revisions are in the wrong direction. The GDP forecast for this year compares with a 6.7 per cent growth rate actually achieved in the first half of the year, and implies an implausibly sharp slowing down in the second half, the evidence for which is entirely lacking in the data available for the period since mid-year."

    This is EXACTLY what myself and Ard-Taoiseach have been posting here for months. We could have written the NCB statement ourselves. I doubt if Cowen has a cunning plan for 2012. Its far more likely he has succumbed to the prevailing opinion of most economists. Organisations like ESRI and Davy, plus individuals like David McWilliams, Morgan Kelly and George Lee have all been predicting a serious downturn. If everyone is shouting in his ear "We're doomed, we're doomed", then he can hardly be blamed for moving his own forecasts in the direction of the doomsters. The only cure for him is read Politics.ie occasionally and study my posts and even more so Ard-Taoiseach's posts . Then he'd realise that fears of a downturn are ludicrously exaggerated.
    With all due respect Freedomlover, economic growth is not the only factor in Cowens mind. He also has to watch inflation which could wipe away all those lovely growth rates at one swipe. It wouldn't hurt to reign in spending growth while he's at it either.
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    Re: Cowen plays politics with the economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Tipp North
    Expert report says tough Budget 'unjustified' and 'no rationale' behind minister's figures

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 00589.html

    Didn't the same happen in 2002????
    I was going to read more and look into the credibility of this particular piece but saw that it was written by Jody Corcoran..
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    Re: Cowen plays politics with the economy

    [quote=Defeated Romanticist]
    Quote Originally Posted by freedomlover
    Quote Originally Posted by Tipp North":21lcmq7q]Expert report says tough Budget 'unjustified' and 'no rationale' behind minister's figures

    [url="http://www.independent.ie/national-news/cowen-plays-politics-with-the-economy-1200589.html
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news ... 00589.html[/url]

    Didn't the same happen in 2002????
    This is what the article you linked to says in relation to Cowen's downgrading of the economic forecasts:

    In the article NCB said:

    "In our view all of the revisions are in the wrong direction. The GDP forecast for this year compares with a 6.7 per cent growth rate actually achieved in the first half of the year, and implies an implausibly sharp slowing down in the second half, the evidence for which is entirely lacking in the data available for the period since mid-year."

    This is EXACTLY what myself and Ard-Taoiseach have been posting here for months. We could have written the NCB statement ourselves. I doubt if Cowen has a cunning plan for 2012. Its far more likely he has succumbed to the prevailing opinion of most economists. Organisations like ESRI and Davy, plus individuals like David McWilliams, Morgan Kelly and George Lee have all been predicting a serious downturn. If everyone is shouting in his ear "We're doomed, we're doomed", then he can hardly be blamed for moving his own forecasts in the direction of the doomsters. The only cure for him is read Politics.ie occasionally and study my posts and even more so Ard-Taoiseach's posts . Then he'd realise that fears of a downturn are ludicrously exaggerated.
    With all due respect Freedomlover, economic growth is not the only factor in Cowens mind. He also has to watch inflation which could wipe away all those lovely growth rates at one swipe. It wouldn't hurt to reign in spending growth while he's at it either.[/quote:21lcmq7q]

    I'm not criticising him for reining in spending. In fact, I approve of that. I'm merely questioning his growth forecasts.

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    Cowan needs to get the priorities just so well balanced that confidence factors should not be undermined. If he fails to deliver the 1% cut in the top tax rate (I know the small print said if the economic circumstances are right etc etc) or fails to extend Mortgage interest relief, this could be more damaging in terms of signaling where we are going as an economy, than scaling back the pace of growth of social expenditure (or as the mendacious opposition and lazy hacks call them "cut-backs").
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    It is the job of the opposition to oppose all monetary decisions by the ruling party. Most newspapers follow that trend also.
    It is tedious in the extreme to be hearing the same old sh*te after forty budgets.

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