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    Quote Originally Posted by dresden8 View Post
    Yeah but you're forgetting this is p.ie. Nurses and teachers are the real enemy. Public sector scum the lot of them.
    Only because of government propaganda....FG and FF before them drove a huge wedge between the private and public sector to make sure that no matter what way they went they managed the fallout by ensuring that at least half the population voted against the other half....if I didn't know most politicians were stupid phucks I'd say it was a stroke of brilliance.

    The reality is the politicians and the likes of Seans Quinn, Dunne and Fitzpatrick are the real enemy working against 98% of the population, and that public and private sector are more aligned and inter-dependent than we're led to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    You'd almost be forgiven for thinking that the people who run the state were closer to the Dunner and his toxic ilk than the people who work, pay taxes and pay their salary....but surely that can't be the case?????
    Don't expect the state to over-exert itself in pursuit of any semblance of justice for the calamity of 2008.

    After decades of tribunals of inquiry into all kinds of dirty dealings involving politicians, costing hundreds of millions of Euro, the only people who did very short stints behind bars were Lalor and Burke.

    There's a long list of others who still collect very fat pensions every month, with the dirt of the past still very much on their fat, greasy fingers.

    Ireland is the land of unaccountability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    There's 250m in NAMA that will be unrecoverable in a week if his bankruptcy goes ahead....250m buys a lot of nurses and teachers.
    It would just be used to improve the pay and conditions of those already there. There'd be no new nurses or teachers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewson View Post
    Don't expect the state to over-exert itself in pursuit of any semblance of justice for the calamity of 2008.

    After decades of tribunals of inquiry into all kinds of dirty dealings involving politicians, costing hundreds of millions of Euro, the only people who did very short stints behind bars were Lalor and Burke.

    There's a long list of others who still collect very fat pensions every month, with the dirt of the past still very much on their fat, greasy fingers.

    Ireland is the land of unaacountability.
    Nail says "ouch"......basically they only purpose of the tribunals was to feed the legal profession, was never intended to deliver justice.

    Lenny and Gilmore are veterans of the system, so not going to change anything. The only politician I'd trust in the future is younger than 40 and has a successful career in IT or engineering and doesn't NEED politics more than politics needs him/her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    The prospect of Sean Dunne walking away from his debts to the Irish people is such a travesty of capitalism and society that the government would have to respond....maybe by taking away his passport, his citizenship, something?

    That Sean Dunne, whose ego drove him onwards to be the caricature of the Irish developer and paying stupid money for property long fare the smart money had gone elsewhere, is likely to walk away leaving somewhere between €500m and €1bn debt behind is beyond the typical joke played on the Irish people by so called capitalism.

    He seems to confuse income tax with loan repayment and confuse having to employ people to do his work as philanthropy. He's claiming to be bankrupt while paying €20k a month in rent while people who bought his properties are being lined up by the banks to survive on €30 a week.

    Surely our leaders in government would see fit to withdraw his passport and make it necessary to face Irish law as opposed to allowing him seek a better, faster, deal in the US courts....surely they're more interested in the well being of the Irish citizen and tax payer...right?
    Is it legal to withdraw someone's passport?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    As far as I'm concerned Sean Dunne stopped being Irish when he went to the US to try to dump his gambling debts on the "little people" of Ireland by getting a quickie bankruptcy. You can't be "all for" him paying his debts but ALSO for him using the US to free him from these debts. Ironically the US wouldn't let their citizens seek bankruptcy abroad, so it's really ironic that they a facilitating him doing so.

    I DON'T think the constitution was designed to let scumbags like Dunne dump 1bn of debt on the Irish citizens....what about my constitutional rights to NOT have to pay someone else's debts?
    In fairness to Seanie at least he had the decency to stick around and face the music...
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    Obviously, you can't take someone's passport/citizenship but the idea of him coming back here and making money again after wiping the slate clean is a bit too much to stomach. Maybe we should change the constitution to have some extra taxes and charges on foreign bankrupts, if they are shameless enough to show their faces here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiding behind a poster View Post
    Is it legal to withdraw someone's passport?
    No. But we can change all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewson View Post
    It isn't. But the constitution is an out-of-date document that needs radical revision.

    We can set up special courts to deal with people trying to undermine the state, but we can't get a banker or politician before the courts to answer for doing exactly the same thing, but without guns or bombs.
    That's great stuff - but what laws have been broken? You kinda need laws to be broken in order to successfully prosecute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    There's 250m in NAMA that will be unrecoverable in a week if his bankruptcy goes ahead....250m buys a lot of nurses and teachers.
    You'll find it will buy the exact same amount, just on better pay....
    Everyone shares in the windfall stakes.
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