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    Census 2011: Full Time Unemployment 424,843 (19%) - U6 Unemployment 25%+

    For some reason the Irish media chose to ignore the results of the Labour Market from Census 2011.

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/cen...employment.pdf

    It shows that the total in the Labour Force stands at 2.23 Million. Total Employed is 1.807 Million and full time Unemployed is 424,843. However this does not include the Underemployed. Underemployment means a situation that is insufficient in some way for the worker, relative to a standard. Examples include holding a part-time job despite desiring full-time work, and overqualification, where the employee has education, experience, or skills beyond the requirements of the job.

    Cross referencing the above Census data with Page 8 Table 1 from the CSO Quarterly National Household Survey below;

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/rel...nhs_q12012.pdf

    you will see that within the 1.807 Million employed from April 2011, 133,100 were underemployed and part time. This gives a total unemployed and underemployed from within the labour force of 557,943 people. This is exactly 25% of the labour force and using the American standard of measuring unemployment, U6 Unemployment in Ireland is at least 25%.

    This doesn't include those not in the labour force who want to work. In the census figure the percentage of the over 15s not in the labour force has increased from 37.5% in 2006 to 38.14% in 2011. Increases in retirement, student and disabled are factors here. It is unclear to how much the economic depression is an influence with this, but it has an impact.


    Since April 2011 the labour market deterioration has continued. There are 30,000 less in the labour force and 32,000 more that are not in the labour force. So emigration hasn't had a net effect in new entrants to the persons over 15 group. There are 35,000 less people in employment.

    Fine Gael and Labour are spinning deceitful lies in claiming that there has been an improvement and the real unemployment situation is completely underestimated with at least 1 in 4 either unemployed or underemployed.






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    * U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force


    NOTE: Persons marginally attached to the labor force are those who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for work. Persons employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule. Updated population controls are introduced annually with the release of January data.
    Reference: United States Bureau of Labour Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization
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    Time to call in all the main business leaders, ISME, Unions, IBEC, Opposition finance spokespeople etc and get working this problem sorted immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra Syndrome View Post
    For some reason the Irish media chose to ignore the results of the Labour Market from Census 2011.

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/cen...employment.pdf

    It shows that the total in the Labour Force stands at 2.23 Million. Total Employed is 1.807 Million and full time Unemployed is 424,843. However this does not include the Underemployed. Underemployment means a situation that is insufficient in some way for the worker, relative to a standard. Examples include holding a part-time job despite desiring full-time work, and overqualification, where the employee has education, experience, or skills beyond the requirements of the job.

    Cross referencing the above Census data with Page 8 Table 1 from the CSO Quarterly National Household Survey below;

    http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/rel...nhs_q12012.pdf

    you will see that within the 1.807 Million employed from April 2011, 133,100 were underemployed and part time. This gives a total unemployed and underemployed from within the labour force of 557,943 people. This is exactly 25% of the labour force and using the American standard of measuring unemployment, U6 Unemployment in Ireland is at least 25%.

    This doesn't include those not in the labour force who want to work. In the census figure the percentage of the over 15s not in the labour force has increased from 37.5% in 2006 to 38.14% in 2011. Increases in retirement, student and disabled are factors here. It is unclear to how much the economic depression is an influence with this, but it has an impact.


    Since April 2011 the labour market deterioration has continued. There are 30,000 less in the labour force and 32,000 more that are not in the labour force. So emigration hasn't had a net effect in new entrants to the persons over 15 group. There are 35,000 less people in employment.

    Fine Gael and Labour are spinning deceitful lies in claiming that there has been an improvement and the real unemployment situation is completely underestimated with at least 1 in 4 either unemployed or underemployed.






    PLEASE NOTE
    * U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force


    NOTE: Persons marginally attached to the labor force are those who currently are neither working nor looking for work but indicate that they want and are available for a job and have looked for work sometime in the past 12 months. Discouraged workers, a subset of the marginally attached, have given a job-market related reason for not currently looking for work. Persons employed part time for economic reasons are those who want and are available for full-time work but have had to settle for a part-time schedule. Updated population controls are introduced annually with the release of January data.
    Reference: United States Bureau of Labour Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization
    Ever heard of the black economy?
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    Who cares? Not the government, their too busy welcoming Nigerians to our shores with citizenships and allowing thousands of unskilled migrants access to our employment market.

    More of the same please , we obviously can afford it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Time to call in all the main business leaders, ISME, Unions, IBEC, Opposition finance spokespeople etc and get working this problem sorted immediately.
    ...and at the moment they are doing what exactly?

    Pat Rabbite on vinB with SS, after clapping himself on the back for the deal last week and saying how he is worth every cent in bloated salary did not seem very bothered as Mary O'R slammed him with the unemployment figures, simply smirked it off. The job situation is in a dire position. Kings horses and Humpty Dumpty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hammer View Post
    Time to call in all the main business leaders, ISME, Unions, IBEC, Opposition finance spokespeople etc and get working this problem sorted immediately.
    Time to kick FG 'up the arse' a la bishop Brennan in Fr Ted.
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    the hibernozone is stabilizing
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    Hammer Time

    1. Time to cut PS pay and the savings used to employ frontline staff where required
    2. Call in Ryanair & DAA. Eliminate travel tax and cut DAA charges
    3. Employers PRSI reduced to ZERO for every new job created in the next 12 months in any sector
    4. Proprietary directors tax credit - every new job created tax credit for €1,000 per employee
    5. All school prefab contracts ripped up and construction commenced on new schoolrooms
    6. NewEra Plan implemented immediately
    7. FAS / Solas closed down
    8. Visas only given to people with SPECIFIC skills like in other countries
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra Syndrome View Post
    For some reason the Irish media chose to ignore the results of the Labour Market from Census 2011.
    Considering that this is a far more accurate measurement than the live register, one has to assume that the media are doing as good a job of "protecting" from the real scale of unemployment as they did on hiding the risks in the property boom.

    I bought this morning's Irish Independent thinking that yesterday's horrendous unemployment numbers would be foremost in their national coverage, but not a bit of it. The fact that nearly half a million people (and climbing) are out of work, even after ten of thousand have emigrated, didn't even merit a mention on the front page.

    Conspiracy theorists might would have a field day looking at how a compliant media is doing the government's bidding and not being held to account for their previous wrongdoing.
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    "I bought this morning's Irish Independent thinking that yesterday's horrendous unemployment numbers would be foremost in their national coverage"

    That is you all over. No thought for the actual unemployed.
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