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    What is that 15000 average made up of I wonder? We have a single income household with approx 2x aiw before tax! Seems to me that without we may be as well of with a single income on aiw! (well not significantly worse off anyway)
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    Quote Originally Posted by wexfordman View Post
    What is that 15000 average made up of I wonder? We have a single income household with approx 2x aiw before tax! Seems to me that without we may be as well of with a single income on aiw! (well not significantly worse off anyway)
    The average amount paid per household for social transfers are:

    Unemployment benefits: €2,381
    Old-age benefits: €6,032
    Family/children related allowances: €3,531
    Housing allowances: €550
    Other social transfers: €2,433
    TOTAL: €14,927

    And remember these are just average per household. It is not for an average household, whatever that is. This figures that are the amount paid out on average. Some households will get zero in some or all of these categories, some will get around the average and some will get substantially more. These are just averages.
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    Bullsh!t figures from a bullsh!t organisation
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    Quote Originally Posted by daveL View Post
    Bullsh!t figures from a bullsh!t organisation
    +1
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    [B]"One is that in 2010 average household disposable income in Ireland was €43,333. Granted this is down 12% on the €49,043 that was recorded in 2008 [/BThis is a weekly disposable of €830 a week. Plenty of scope for at least some households to go an a holiday on that!"

    Remember average between 20 households could mean 1,000,000 for one house and zero for 19
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    "There is undoubtedly a huge number of households in serious difficulty. The numbers "at risk of poverty" are around 720,000. For a family of two adults and two children the threshold is a disposable income of €25,127 or €483 a week. I appreciate the difficulties that those below this threshold are enduring and how quickly this money will be consumed by basic necessities but there are 3,850,000 people above the threshold."

    I would have thought disposable income is after bills are paid!!

    Also you are confusing households with people. "720,000 households is probably well over 2,000,000 people!!!Of the 15.8% of the population who are at risk of poverty, 39.4% of these experienced two or more types of enforced deprivation. There is 6.2% of the population, or 275,000, who are at risk of poverty and experiences two or more types of depravation. The are 4,300,000 people not in this category and 61.6% of those at risk of poverty did not report two or more types of depravation."

    these stats are complete bull and only a complete idiot would take them seriously
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    We don't have income distribution figures from the 2010 SILC as the CSO have only released preliminary results. We have statistics from the 2009 release when average weekly disposable income was 880. Here is average disposable income by decile

    1st decile: 210.45
    2nd decile: 320.37
    3rd decile: 443.07
    4th decile: 555.88
    5th decile: 675.19
    6th decile: 802.53
    7th decile: 965.83
    8th decile: 1,140.49
    9th decile: 1,422.84
    10th decile: 2,276.00
    Excellent thread and very informative. Special congrats to Taxi Driver for patiently replying to posts that disagreed with stats provided. The breakdown of deciles strikes me as the most relevant set of figures as averages are so much more open to dispute. Nothing like figures to paint a good picture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxi Driver View Post
    What do you think average household income is?

    In 2010 final consumption expenditure of households and NPISHs (non-profit institutions serving households) was 79,292 million. Subtract off the 3,075 million spend by non-residents and the same again for NPISHS (only a guess; could be smaller or larger) leaves us with 73,142 million. All details are in this. See particularly Tables 5 and 13.

    There are around 1.7 million households in Ireland. That gives an average consumption expenditure per household of around 43,000. You mightn't think that average household disposable incomee is 43,000; it is. You mightn't think that average household consumption is 43,000; it is.

    You have to remember that these do not represent the "average" household, however you wish to view that. These are average flows of income and expenditure.
    In other words, irrelevant bullshiit!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desperate Dan View Post
    A lot of posters are forgetting that it was a guy called Taxi Driver that put up this thread, does that not tell you something.?
    We are very lucky people to be living in a country so small we do not have to spend long periods in cabs.
    I wouldn't jump to any conclusions about the man or his aptitude based on his forum name, he seems informed but misled and seems to be coming from a government spin angle.
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    What a load of tosh... this body has lost all credibility coming out with this crap, they obviously haven't discovered a pretty big error in the "model"
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    Quote Originally Posted by greenjerseyman View Post
    [B]"One is that in 2010 average household disposable income in Ireland was €43,333. Granted this is down 12% on the €49,043 that was recorded in 2008 [/BThis is a weekly disposable of €830 a week. Plenty of scope for at least some households to go an a holiday on that!"

    Remember average between 20 households could mean 1,000,000 for one house and zero for 19
    !!


    "There is undoubtedly a huge number of households in serious difficulty. The numbers "at risk of poverty" are around 720,000. For a family of two adults and two children the threshold is a disposable income of €25,127 or €483 a week. I appreciate the difficulties that those below this threshold are enduring and how quickly this money will be consumed by basic necessities but there are 3,850,000 people above the threshold."

    I would have thought disposable income is after bills are paid!!

    Also you are confusing households with people. "720,000 households is probably well over 2,000,000 people!!!Of the 15.8% of the population who are at risk of poverty, 39.4% of these experienced two or more types of enforced deprivation. There is 6.2% of the population, or 275,000, who are at risk of poverty and experiences two or more types of depravation. The are 4,300,000 people not in this category and 61.6% of those at risk of poverty did not report two or more types of depravation."

    these stats are complete bull and only a complete idiot would take them seriously
    Information on deciles has been posted a number of times on this thread. You should look at it. Median household disposable income is €35,000. Around 850,000 households in Ireland have a disposable income greater than this and of course 850,000 households have a disposable income less than this.

    Disposable income in this report is gross income minus taxes and social contributions. This has been explained a number of times.

    The report clearly states that 15.8% of the population is "at risk of poverty". The population is 4.58 million and 15.8% is 720,000.
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