432LikesWhen did we leave the Pig club?Originally Posted by Ctrl+C
When did we leave the Pig club?
Thus post hasn't been quoted and refuted.
Oddly.
Some big falls today in Portuguese bond yields after yesterday's bond swap.
PORTUGUESE GOVERNMENT BONDS 5YR NOTE PORTUGAL PL Analysis - GSPT5YR - Bloomberg
June.
Yeah it seems Portugal isn't too far behind us in getting their house in order. Hopefully other peripheral countries will follow suit. Even Greek yields has fallen in recent months. We're now out of the worst of this mess. The key now is to get Europe growing again.
I've been following this exchange. I'm mystified.
If this phrase:
"And how much of that "improving" is down to the ECB sticking their hooves in?"
doesn't refer to the ECB buying bonds then, in the context of the exchange, what exactly does it mean?
When he said 'sticking their hooves in' he didn't mean buying bonds.
Take him literally. The ECB were sticking their hooves into something. They have hooves.
So they are devils. Explains everything.
Eh, indeed. Your previous post said:
"Oh and domestic Irish Banks holdings of Irish Bonds increased by €800 Million in August to €18.5 Billion."
The report you link provides statistics on the Irish banking system. There are numerous banks in the Irish banking system which are not "Irish banks" and the Irish banking system also includes the Central Bank of Ireland. The column in the spreadsheet linked in the report is headed "MFIs and Central Bank". It is pretty clear that this is not just "Irish banks".
The figures show that in July the Irish banking system held €20.6 billion of €83.1 billion of Irish government bonds (24.9%) while by August they held €21.4 billion of €87.3 billion (24.5%). Thus Ireland, issued €4.2 billion of new bonds. The real story is that Ireland issued new debt and the purchasers of this were largely external. Non-resident holdings went from €60.2 billion to €63.4 billion.
The details on the Irish banks can be seen in this spreadsheet
http://www.centralbank.ie/polstats/s...ance_sheet.xls
You provide a link to data that includes Irish banks, foreign banks resident in Ireland and the Central Bank and with no evidence declare that any changes in the category are only down to the first listed. There is no evidence that Irish banks have been large purchases of Irish government bonds in 2012. The August figures would suggest that the Irish banks added no more than €300 million to the holdings of Irish government bonds and this probably came from the successful bond issuance by the NTMA at the end of July.
No, that €135 billion relates to the entire banking system. Loans from all banks in Ireland for "Real Estate, Land and Development Activities" peaked at €106 billion in September 2008. It would seem hard to the €135 billion provided for losses in the Irish banking system is " only related to developers’ debts" when they only totalled €106 billion.
The losses in the banks have been recognised and provisions/capital have seen set aside to deal with them. The problem as you point out is that the losses have not been faced up to. But don't it because the banks don't have the money. In August the Irish domestic banking system had €98 billion of capital. In September 2008 (to just pick an earlier date) they had €43 billion of capital. The money to deal with the losses is in the system. The resolve to do so is not.
