You have a point there!Originally Posted by gnash1970
At the same time, I am concerned about the outflow of revenue into social welfare provision for immigrants, especially as regards payments for children living overseas. And the issue of welfare differentiation - the same gulf that no doubt attracted our racist friend to Ireland - is undoubtedly contributing to the fact that tens of thousands of Eastern Europeans who migrated here for work and are now unemployed have not yet left for home.
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Why the concern about overseas children?
Well exactly. Why ARE we paying for the upkeep of children who live abroad?
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Because other EU countries will pay for ours if we go over there to work.
Will they pay for our children in Ireland if we work there, though? I don't think many of our EU brethren have that in their social welfare statutes.
There is no reason for the Irish taxpayer, be he Irish, EU national or otherwise, to be paying for the upkeep of children residing outside of the state.
There are large savings to be made by scrapping that provision, savings that we badly need to fund legitimate social welfare burden which is growing by the day.
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Yes, they will. It's an EU thing (Council Reg. No 1408/71, Chap. 7,Article 73 - An employed or self-employed person subject to the legislation of a Member State shall be entitled, in respect of the members of his family who are residing in another Member State, to the family benefits provided for by the legislation of the former State, as if they were residing in that State, subject to the provisions of Annex VI).
Now you can argue the toss over whether or not this should be the case but it's not just one way traffic. In Germany, for example, there are some pretty nice parental allowances on top of child benefit that an Irish person working there will be entitled to. Assuming they have children, that is.
The key words there are 'subject to the legislation of a member state.' We simply need to change our legislation, thereby knocking a very large amount of money off the social welfare bill.
That money, currently haemorrhaging out of the state's coffers, could then be diverted to address the genuine and legitimate need for social welfare provision within Ireland.
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The phrase "An employed or self-employed person subject to the legislation of a Member State shall be entitled..." doesn't seem to me to have the same meaning as the phrase "An employed or self-employed person, subject to the legislation of a Member State, shall be entitled..." The first formulation exempts something like diplomats, I imagine.
I'd be tremendously surprised if there was free money going that diplomats were barred from accessing, Stringjack.
They're the masters of working multiple systems to their own benefit. At one point, an Irish diplomat I knew was bringing three cars a year back to Ireland to sell on for profit, till they closed off the loophole.
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Granted...
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