ISME warns: Public Sector Overpaid- diasaster in offing

[kittyn]

As I have stated above I cannot dispute the CSO Stats but I did find your comment about Dell Shop Floor Trained staff offensive, Its just as well Im a highly educated member of the 4% of the private sector then.......... We all have jobs to do in the country from Cleaners to Barrister to Nurses, all of which demands the same respect, educated or not.

[kittyn]

As I have stated above I cannot dispute the CSO Stats but I did find your comment about Dell Shop Floor Trained staff offensive, Its just as well Im a highly educated member of the 4% of the private sector then.......... We all have jobs to do in the country from Cleaners to Barrister to Nurses, all of which demands the same respect, educated or not.

[kittyn]

As I have stated above I cannot dispute the CSO Stats but I did find your comment about Dell Shop Floor Trained staff offensive, Its just as well Im a highly educated member of the 4% of the private sector then.......... We all have jobs to do in the country from Cleaners to Barrister to Nurses, all of which demands the same respect, educated or not.

[osuilleabhain]

[quote="cyberianpan"]
How come if they are soooo well educated that they've to bring in
consultants for every piece of change? (I've only once encountered
a good quality IT person working in public sector).[\quote]

You just answered your own question!

[quote="cyberianpan"]
Do the public sector generate any of the wealth (that is used to pay
them !) ? Do they take any risk ?
[\quote]

Yes, sort of. E.g., Enterprise Ireland disburses public monies as
seed and venture capital which can and does later (sometimes) lead
to good businesses. Not much risk to them, as such, but to the
taxpayer who is of course oblivious. But, then again government
is now become a business corporation.

This returns to your first point: why all the consultants? Answer:
(IMO) this is how government funnels public monies to croneys,
and absolves itself of any accountability, and has someone else
do the job they are elected and paid to do......not to mention
the cadre of civil servants who are also already there and paid
to advise government, and not nearly as expensive.

Case in point: the Monica Leech case in Waterford + Quigley Report.
(She got 250,000 or so for one year as a "consultant" and a further
250,000 in libel damages from Joe Duffy / RTE - not bad going,
despite the smirch on her reputation). And free publicity too.
Don't know if that'll pay off in the long-term.

And finally,........ in a "free" labour market, if the private sector
is whinging about pay in the public sector, then why don't they transfer?
Is there a law saying public sector pay must be lower than private
sector pay?

Where would Ascon / GMC be without government contracts?

Thanks,

Peter O'Sullivan
Independent Candidate Dublin South-East
http://www.d246.org

P.S. If you haven't voted yet, you can still give me your No. 1
or No. 2.

[The Earl of Desmond]

But why is it the public seem so thick that they can't equate the way FF is and Bertie not being able to make a decision with public services being so bad and so much moeny being wasted? Whatever about FG etc how on earth is any party meant to compete against the type of people - at least 35%-40% - who will continue to vote FF no matter what it does.

Is it possible that such a large chunk of the Irish public just don't give a ************************ and will vote for anyone as long as they have cash in their pocket - can so many people not be capable of taking a long term and voting to make sure their children can grow up and live around the corner or go to decent schools, not be fat, not be teenage mothers living on benefits, not spend hours in traffic, have a choice of another shop except Tesco or Dunnes etc etc

[Tribe 14]

Are you trying to tell me that all the un-educated third level employees in this country are in the Private sector, I think not[/quote]

No. Just that a higher proportion of them are in the private sector than the public.

[Tribe 14]

Are you trying to tell me that all the un-educated third level employees in this country are in the Private sector, I think not

No. Just that a higher proportion of them are in the private sector than the public.

[Edo]

You can have 3d or 4th level qualifications up the Yazoo - If you have poor time management skills , have a poor work ethic, are badly and incompetently managed get regular payrises just for being there and there is no line of responsibility - then it matters very very little.

that is the main beef the private sector have with the public sector - show me the rise in performance and customer satisfaction with the service you provide and I'll show you the money! - so far there has been very little to show for the exorbitant amount of money that has been lavished on this sector so far . Until pay is linked to performance and peoples satisfaction with the service then nothing will change - as far as I can see public sector employees are chasing more and more 3rd level qualifications because this and seniority are the only way of increasing their renumeration - more meritocracy and people getting promoted because of their performance, dedication and ability to perform their tasks not because they have done X-Y and Z in University - all that means is that you are literate and have the potential to learn and apply yourself to a discipline - doesn't mean you will be any good at it in practice.

As regards the overall 3d level public/private sector split - tribe is probably right in regard to 25% of the private sector holding a 3rd level qualification - mainly due to our massive dependence on the property and construction industry - which is a low productivity area and is a just a sponge for the massive credit binge we have gone on here since the turn of the millenium.

Like a previous poster I work in the hi tech export industry - a small handful of companies that are responsible for over 87% of our exports in value - I can guarantee you that all 200 of my colleagues including myself are 3d level and beyond - all the guys in my warehouses have their degrees in materials managment or are in the process - still have to do a 40 plus week and get their hands dirty though!

[kittyn]

Fair enough

[kittyn]

I agree Edo, in the private sector if you do not preform and make a profit for the company you are out, end of.......