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    the ones that are over paid are the top bigwigs and people like Brendan Drumm, not to mention Harney, McDowell and company. Come on the taxpayer! (remember that publication from the early 1970s?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittyn
    I have no idea where you got your information from but the majority of employees in the Private sector are highly educated with most professions taking at least five years of study.......!
    no the majority in the private sector are not the professional classes, they're the guys on the building sites & factory floors, shop tills etc. Go into a hospital and between the nurses/docs/social services/admin etc they make up something like 90% of the staff, that's 90% with 3rd level + qualifications.
    Within a private company like - dell about 10 managers for every 500 staff. the managers will have some degree of college education but the 500 plus will be made up of mostly shop floor trained staff.

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    Public servants pay tax too you know! to read this you would think that their tax wasn't going into the exchequer as all. The guards get a good deal - their health insurance alone is phenomenal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munion
    Everyone working in my company has a minimum of 4 years training be that as an apprentice or in university.
    Maybe they should bargain for an increase in wages?

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    To say the public sector is better qualified than the private is pure snobbery.
    Or perhaps it's just, a fact?

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    Munion, it's not snobbery, it's just what people do. To compare the private and public sector is not like for like.
    A larger proportion of public-sector workers require advanced qualifications for their work than the proportion of private-sector workers. That is a consequence of the functions performed by the sectors. If we privatised RTÉ, the schools, tax offices, social workers, universities and hospitals tomorrow, that proportion would shift. To say that this is snobbery is either deliberate misreading or muddy thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittyn
    As for what you have said Tribe, I have no idea where you got your information from but the majority of employees in the Private sector are highly educated with most professions taking at least five years of study.......!
    Simply untrue. 63pc of the population do not have a third-level qualification (IDA Ireland).

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    I wouldn't pay too much attention to ISME. Working for a small private sector business in Ireland is my idea of hell. Why ?

    * badly paid
    * shorter holidays
    * less training
    * few promotion prospects
    * ratty boss

    in short - imagine working for Tom Morrissey in a printing firm in west Dublin for minimum wage, while he's out trying to play politics.

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    Another Cassandra like prophecy from the paramilitary wing of the flint-minded business sector. They've been peddling this stuff since before the rise of the Celtic tiger, yet we continue to muddle on through.
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    The people in the private sector have largely abandoned unions and have opted to fend for themselves in negotiations with their employers. Not going as well as collective bargining by the sound of it. That should not be a surprise really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hana
    Quote Originally Posted by kittyn
    I have no idea where you got your information from but the majority of employees in the Private sector are highly educated with most professions taking at least five years of study.......!
    no the majority in the private sector are not the professional classes, they're the guys on the building sites & factory floors, shop tills etc. Go into a hospital and between the nurses/docs/social services/admin etc they make up something like 90% of the staff, that's 90% with 3rd level + qualifications.
    Within a private company like - dell about 10 managers for every 500 staff. the managers will have some degree of college education but the 500 plus will be made up of mostly shop floor trained staff.
    Well the private sector would make up way over half of the employees in this state, I would bet that a lot of shop assistants, very few now Irish have a qualification but just cant get work in there field of disicpline , so Solicitors, Barristers, Judges, Accountants, Engineers, QS, Sales Executives etc etc have not studied..... As for Dell well I have worked in Dell on the '''''Shop Floor'''''''' your figures are completely wrong its around one manager to every fifteen staff and im personally offended by your comment as I have been to college for five years...........
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