ISME warns: Public Sector Overpaid- diasaster in offing

[wexfordman]

There is no argument, it is none of your business for the reasons I have stated.

You can feel free to consider it your business and you can feel free to consider yourself qualified to judge or comment on my profession etc etc, but just don't expect those you wish to pontificate to to pay any attention to you.

Leftfemme states there is no argument, therefore argument over so :-0

I would suggest at this point leftfemme, seeing as you have decided to leave this country when things are getting tough, or more like when you are having things like pension levy etc imposed, tha you yourself should no longer consider it any of your business to comment on any matters relating to the state of affairs in this country.

You are by the way completely incapable of rational debate, as you generally descend into either ignoring the arguments that people are proposing to you, insult and sarcasm, or in final act of desperation, telling people its none of thier business.

Speaks for itself really

Enjoy your new country of residence

[X-ray]

I am glad to see the governments plan to split PAYE workers to fight among themselves is working a treat. People are effecively begging for more taxes and lower wages now. Very impressive.

[wexfordman]

Ahh yes, why cant we all just get along!!!

[X-ray]

Ahh yes, why cant we all just get along!!!

Dont worry we can, if we just reverse rural electrification and stop having babies in hospital I am sure will be back on track for christmas.

Once ordinary people realise this is their punishement for acting up and questioning their betters all will be well again.

Just need to pull together and stop attacking everyone else.

[Bonzo1970]

Joe I said new teacher not all teachers you twat. Secondly its a phenomenon noticed in the last decade or so. I was mistaken in that its only 50% but that is a worrying problem for their system. I grow really weary of debating with virulently small minded people like you. When did you last dawn a classroom? There is a new frech Film "THE CLASS" won an award. See it-its highly accurate. But you probably wont as its much simpler to give knee jerk opinions based on hot air(in the main) Film is on in the IFC. Here is your link for UK TEACHER retention. Thankfully-you are unlikely ever to have any influence on decision makers outside your other salubrious mates here on Politics.ie

http://ednews.org/articles/24743/1/T...lem/Page1.html

[Proposition Joe]

Joe I said new teacher not all teachers you twat. Secondly its a phenomenon noticed in the last decade or so.

Er, how can the average career span be calculated for new teachers only? Without knowing how long those who haven't left already will stick it out?

If half the in-take over the last decade left within five years, this would indicate that the median career span is 5 years. Not the average.

I wont provide you with a link as I could not be arsed at the moment.

I'll take it so that it was made up on the spot, like 92% of all statistics quoted on this site

You are so virulently anti-teacher Im not sure it would matter.

Nothing could be further from the truth, I assure you.

[InReality]

Ah ISME

No agenda there , thank God

[Bonzo1970]

Er, how can the average career span be calculated for new teachers only? Without knowing how long those who haven't left already will stick it out?

If half the in-take over the last decade left within five years, this would indicate that the median career span is 5 years. Not the average.



I'll take it so that it was made up on the spot, like 92% of all statistics quoted on this site



Nothing could be further from the truth, I assure you.

Anyway Joe -your texts contradict you. Anyway you wont read the article or see the film but will blithely propagate your nonsense. Though I admit I was not wholly accurate on teacher retention UK but if you read the piece you will see they have a worrying problem so to get back to my very original point on this-whats the point in comparing UK/Irish teacher salaries when they obviously cant even retain staff?? Dont post a response to me-I no longer give a ********

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/...-staff-leaving

I think I might have given you wrong link accidently-anyway you wont read either Joe.

[Proposition Joe]

Joe I said new teacher not all teachers you twat. Secondly its a phenomenon noticed in the last decade or so. I was mistaken in that its only 50% but that is a worrying problem for their system. I grow really weary of debating with virulently small minded people like you. When did you last dawn a classroom? There is a new frech Film "THE CLASS" won an award. See it-its highly accurate. But you probably wont as its much simpler to give knee jerk opinions based on hot air(in the main) Film is on in the IFC. Here is your link for UK TEACHER retention. Thankfully-you are unlikely ever to have any influence on decision makers outside your other salubrious mates here on Politics.ie

Teacher Retention a Critical National Problem

Ah Jaysus Bonzo ... no need to blow a gasket, or go editing your post after I'd quoted it in a reply.

What's so offensive about seeking to adopt the best aspects of another country's system?

You seem to take any and all criticism as indicating an "anti-teacher" bias. Whereas I would consider myself very strongly pro-education, and even have a little experience of the sector myself (at third level and many years ago).

Anyway Joe -your texts contradict you. Anyway you wont read the article or see the film but will blithely propagate your nonsense. Though I admit I was not wholly accurate on teacher retention UK but if you read the piece you will see they have a worrying problem so to get back to my very original point on this-whats the point in comparing UK/Irish teacher salaries when they obviously cant even retain staff?? Dont post a response to me-I no longer give a ********[/url]

I think I might have given you wrong link accidently-anyway you wont read either Joe.

I fact I read both articles, and very interesting they were. The first does indeed indicate the median teacher career span is 5 years (as opposed the average, but I think I'll just have to quit picking that particular nit).

However it also restricts its attention to the US, and given we were discussing the strengths and weaknesses of education in the UK, the relevance is questionable.

But on a tangent, the second (guardian) article also refers to an interesting practice the we could consider adopting here:

"Most teachers will agree that long holidays are the saving grace for an otherwise punishing job. Many, however, admit to working for at least half of their six-week summer break, while other holidays tend to be rammed full of revision classes and coursework clinics to push borderline students up to a pass for the all-important league tables. This is the major gripe for teachers, and the reason that many have cited for quitting the profession."

OK, it would be a pain to give up some of the holidays. But if these extra summer classes attracted some additional renumeration, or were used instead of seniority to promote a young enthusiastic teacher into a "B" post, then maybe teachers would consider them worth doing. Certainly many do holiday nixers in the Institute of Education, why not incentivize them to do the same for less well-off students?

[Bonzo1970]

Your suggestion is not bad Joe-worth at looking at. Look I work in a working class school where my hair is going white trying to get kids to do a bit of work in the evening. Im talking a half an hour. I also this week spent half an hour chasing up two kids mitching class-prob do that a lot but I dont always get the time to chase them up! Parents need to be taken to task a lot more frequently but all the problems of the system are often thrown back in the teaching profession.

Im in favour of parenting courses. Mandatory in some cases. Imalso in favor of more stringent inspection of Teachers. Im not a militant trade unionist.
Try to see that Film Joe. I gave you an article on it. I will provide you with an e mail address to communicate ideas to me and vice a versa. This site sucks me in and I don't have time for it anymore.