Are we so blind that we cannot see :(

[Black Cat]

I worked in the Caring professions during the celtic tiger years, I never borrowed or could afford to buy a house which many people looked down on me for, how is it fair if I, and others like me, have to contribute to a bail out of home owners allowing them to stay in their homes while I have no home of my own and didn't contribute to this problem?

[SideysGhost]

There is no simple solution. How many times do you need to be told. Leaving the banks collapse won't solve the deficit FFS!

Abandoning the corrupt insolvent banks will stop the total public debt increasing by €60bn+, with the consequent annual interest bill though.

The only way to address the deficit is to dismantle the pork - the corrupt supply contracts; the useless quangos; the artificial subsidies, State-sanctioned cartels and other artificial price-support mechanisms.

Purge the pork, stop trying to keep the price of everything artificially high, stop directing the resources of the nation into the pockets of the connected elite, reduce the cost level, reduce the burden on SMEs, get the country back to work in real sustainable productive industry.

That'll sort the deficit alright.

[DCon]

There is no simple solution. How many times do you need to be told. Leaving the banks collapse won't solve the deficit FFS!

It is a fact that a lot of people are overpaid and Ireland needs to be run for a lot less.

However, gifting Anglo 22,000,000,000 does nothing to fix this. So why gift it to them?

[eoghanacht]

We will re educate them. (:

I wouldn't be laughing if i were you, your to be 'Re Educated' too.

[WTTR]

I worked in the Caring professions during the celtic tiger years, I never borrowed or could afford to buy a house which many people looked down on me for, how is it fair if I, and others like me, have to contribute to a bail out of home owners allowing them to stay in their homes while I have no home of my own and didn't contribute to this problem?

There was far too much money lent out and securitised in connection with mortgages. The banks were lending so much that the price of houses rose by four or five times between 1996 and 2007. Wages went up by 1.7 times in the same period. This house price increase was the highest in the Western World. The repayments on the securitised portion of mortgages knock the whole economy out of equilibrium, especially when you compare it with GNP. Too much was lend, a great bulk of the mortgage repayments c. €6bn annually is going overseas.

I will draw a little analogy. In SCD during the early seventies the rates collected on a 3 bedroom simi house was 2.3% of the purchase price. The average value of a 3 bedroom simi was €800,000 in 2007. The associated rates would be €18,400 annually on a similar ratable valuation of 2.3%. What has happened in the meantime is that our politicians got rid of house rates later on in the 70s. The International Financial Buccaneers sneaked in by stealth and lumped the unsuspecting youth of Ireland with mortgages on ballooning property values. The bottom line is that this figure of €18,400 is paid by the mortgage holder and now owner of the house, but it is not going to fund roads, civil service salaries etc.

It is going to the owners of Bank Bonds and represents the jumbo proportion of mortgages, which causes the homeowner to be in massive Negative Equity. The State gains nothing from this robbery of the earnings of Irish Youth, in fact the interest portion is allowed against tax in Ireland. The country can not take the leakage of this money roughly €6bn annually. It is the same if after losing a war, the victor imposed reparation damages! The sad thing is that our leaders did not even recognise the enemy - he came in Armani suits! Just like when the Incas accepted the initial Spanish Conquistador with their alloy helmets and nice uniforms; feted them, only to be subsequently robbed blind!

It kills Internal Trade, less tax will accrue to the State. The State will have to let go staff or greatly reduce their salaries. It gets worse and worse the longer it takes the State to cancel the jumbo proportion of our young peoples mortgages.

You see, you are living in a society with visionless leaders. Therefore the innocent, frugal and law abiding citizen suffer!

[Oreo Livermore]

Its not me but Wall Street and the US government that needs to get real, I think you agree with me on that. But I did ask what you suggested years ago?

I had 5 or 6 threads here with specifics. I don't think it would be fair to be as critical as I was, without being able to propose a plan B.

I brought 3 of them together into one post which you can read here

A Real Plan - Real Irish Politics Forums

[soubresauts]

Abandoning the corrupt insolvent banks will stop the total public debt increasing by €60bn+, with the consequent annual interest bill though.

The only way to address the deficit is to dismantle the pork - the corrupt supply contracts; the useless quangos; the artificial subsidies, State-sanctioned cartels and other artificial price-support mechanisms.

Purge the pork, stop trying to keep the price of everything artificially high, stop directing the resources of the nation into the pockets of the connected elite, reduce the cost level, reduce the burden on SMEs, get the country back to work in real sustainable productive industry.

That'll sort the deficit alright.

I wouldn't disagree with those measures. Some are easy, some are difficult, or would take a fair bit of time to implement. Cutting the useless quangos is an obvious place to start, and more than two years ago I suggested one starting point, here.

Cutting out those dental quangos and stopping fluoridation will save tens of millions per year, and improve public health.

That's a small start, but here's the big one: I note that the HSE employs about 100,000 people. I just noticed that Spain's health service employs a little over 500,000 people. Compare the populations: Spain has ten times as many people as the Republic of Ireland.

So am I suggesting that we should just get rid of half the HSE employees? No, not exactly. But there is a simple way to make a lot of them redundant, at no cost to public health: Abolish publicly-funded vaccination. All of it. Let those who want vaccination pay for it.

Immediate effect: A huge cut to the HSE budget, and a huge reduction in the deficit.

No one needs vaccination. And it is a personal choice. I know many people who have never been vaccinated, people of all ages, and they are the healthiest people I know.

Before the vaccines for the normal childhood diseases came along in the 1970s, the death rates for those diseases were negligible, and all the children used to gain full immunity, something today's vaccinated generation doesn't get.

And all that before we consider the downsides of vaccination. See this, for starters.

[LeDroit]

I wouldn't disagree with those measures. Some are easy, some are difficult, or would take a fair bit of time to implement. Cutting the useless quangos is an obvious place to start, and more than two years ago I suggested one starting point, here.

Cutting out those dental quangos and stopping fluoridation will save tens of millions per year, and improve public health.

That's a small start, but here's the big one: I note that the HSE employs about 100,000 people. I just noticed that Spain's health service employs a little over 500,000 people. Compare the populations: Spain has ten times as many people as the Republic of Ireland.

So am I suggesting that we should just get rid of half the HSE employees? No, not exactly. But there is a simple way to make a lot of them redundant, at no cost to public health: Abolish publicly-funded vaccination. All of it. Let those who want vaccination pay for it.

Immediate effect: A huge cut to the HSE budget, and a huge reduction in the deficit.

No one needs vaccination. And it is a personal choice. I know many people who have never been vaccinated, people of all ages, and they are the healthiest people I know.

Before the vaccines for the normal childhood diseases came along in the 1970s, the death rates for those diseases were negligible, and all the children used to gain full immunity, something today's vaccinated generation doesn't get.

And all that before we consider the downsides of vaccination. See this, for starters.

Man alive! You can make any issue about fluori-bloody-dation and vacci-bleedin- ation. Stop trolling your mental agenda. Accept that fluoridation does NOT increase the incidence of any disease and that vaccination DOES massively decrease the incidence of many, many diseases. Now, stop playing with kids health and get on topic. For once.

[soubresauts]

Man alive!

Please avoid sexist language.

You can make any issue about fluori-bloody-dation and vacci-bleedin- ation. Stop trolling your mental agenda.

You're not making any sense. Try to stay on topic.

Accept that fluoridation does NOT increase the incidence of any disease...

I know whereof I speak, whereas you don't.

Now, stop playing with kids health and get on topic.

Vaccination is an enormous part of government expenditure. I and many other people reject vaccination and we don't want public money spent on it, and that's not being callous. We want the best for all kids. The callous disregard is on the other side.

Why are people afraid to question what the whitecoats say?

[LeDroit]

Stay on topic?!!! Are you high? You constantly troll off topic on your hobby horses.

Name one, just one, disease or condition that has an increased incidence in Ireland compared to non fluoridated UK. Just one.

Are you also seriously saying if we don't vaccinate we save the money we would have spent on the vaccines?! What about the much higher cost of treating the ramifications of non vaccination? Deafness, blindness, mental disability from measles, gait issues from polio and other physical disabilities from other entirely preventable diseases. Of course the dead kids won't cost much after the funerals.