We owe the Brits €188 Billion - Surely what better reason to default!

[Barstool_Pundit]

Totally agree. When are the Irish going to grow up and stop blaming another country for everything?

well the two brians like to blame poor old Lehman Brothers for everything
since 2008...cant we blame the Brits for everything since 1169.

188 billion ...just stick it on my bill please...trade you a thistle field in Athlone..great potential

[idle tim]

Our fate is inextricably linked to the uk's - hoping for their downfall is like cutting your nose off to spite your face - this forum is failing because it is turning into a platform for backwards looking people to air their anti british sentiments. Reasonable people of intelligence are going to start being turned off Politics.ie if these bigoted types are allowed to continue abusing the site - its meant to be about politics not hatred

Politics and hatred are inextricably linked.No getting away from the fact.

[sparkey321]

Catholic Teaching is an example; we now reject nearly every aspect of it. We fought the British for 800 years; we did not want to be dominated by them. Our religion was a sign of protest against their occupation.

So Catholisism was a sign of protest against occupation ?

Look around.... I dont see any occupation in the republic.

The Mass going tradition is what strenthened the Irish community right throughout the world; this and the influance of Irish Missionaries was the source of "Ireland punched above its weight"!

Hang on ? I though our religion was a sign of protest against British occupation ?

But what have we got now? The youth of the country are in massive negative equity owing to the same enemy marching into this country waving loads of monetary lolly instead of the waving of swords.

Now your just talking crap.

People are in negative equity because they bought very expencive houses at the peak of a propeerty bubble.

A bubble that was fueled by IRISH politicans and the IRISH public and the IRISH banks.

They plus loads of other invaders waving cheque books are still screwing this country; but we are too thick to realise it. This country is now in massive debt as a result of the discarding of religious principles and the mistaken belief that Irish Citizens only needed to be protected from armed adventurers and not Armani clad International Financial Buccaneers.

Get a grip. The catholic church (or any other church for that matter) has SFA to do with us beng in debt.

We were readymade for exploitation. Our elected politicians failed to protect our resources e.g. fishing, hydrocarbons etc. They allowed the youth of Ireland to be drowned in mortgage debt. We have been pure lazy in protecting ourselves; because Modern Ireland has no belief system with firm foundations.

I thought it was all the fault of the British ??

Soon the Armani clad International Financial Buccaneers will be back looking for their pound of flesh! What is to give them? The rest of our hydrocarbons etc and our 300,000 unemployed youth to join their armies or the Irish Army to be at their beckon and call! What ever tune is played; we will be hoping to it!

Twat.

[Dillinger]

They are only getting blamed for things they actually did, i.e rape little kids.

I'm talking about a general victimhood WRT our nearest neighbours. OK, they screwed this country for a 1000 years but now we have different problems and whilst a good singalong of 'Come out yis Black and Tans' is a good laugh after a few pints, it really has nothing to say about the world as it is now.

Every nation has been screwed by someone at some point in it's history. It is human nature to do these things unfortunately. We just seem to get off on it, we cannot let it go. Even when we have been screwed by our new landlords for 90 odd years, we are still whining about our old ones.

I think we should be worrying more about the amount of debt we ran up as a nation. Or will we just keep blaming Lehman Brothers for the next 100 years.

Ireland at No1 on this list:
News Headlines


We could have a new song "come out ye dirty bankers"

[BecommingAntiFF]

sorry for the stupid question but can someone explain to me how we have a goross External debt of 2.32 trillion what that much money we must be pay loans that date back to 1196

1. Ireland - 1,312%
External debt (as % of GDP): 1,312%

Gross external debt: $2.32 trillion
2009 GDP (est): $176.9 billion

[Destiny's Soldier]

When I see the thread title, I do not understand why such a jingoistic headline is tolerated by the so called moderators.

People get banned for far less.

[WTTR]

So Catholisism was a sign of protest against occupation ?[COLOR="DarkRed"] Yea, The English Est broke from Rome; this was a good way to show that we were different.[/COLOR]

Look around.... I dont see any occupation in the republic. [COLOR="DarkRed"]Well similar to absentee Landlords. Read the heading on this thread.[/COLOR]



Hang on ? I though our religion was a sign of protest against British occupation ? [COLOR="DarkRed"]Get a life![/COLOR]




Now your just talking crap.

People are in negative equity because they bought very expencive houses at the peak of a propeerty bubble.

A bubble that was fueled by IRISH politicans and the IRISH public and the IRISH banks.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Did you ever find a politician that had a good grasp on finance? It is the same with the rest of the people. Loading our youth with jumbo mortgages is the same as Press Gangs stealing the black natives of Liberia for the slave trade; done under an accommodating regime.[/COLOR]



Get a grip. The catholic church (or any other church for that matter) has SFA to do with us beng in debt. [COLOR="DarkRed"]How true! If protection of the family with procreation in mind was paramount, there would be no way that young couples would be loaded with jumbo mortgages.[/COLOR]




I thought it was all the fault of the British ?? [COLOR="DarkRed"]Read my previous post and Dillengers one also.[/COLOR]





Twat. [COLOR="DarkRed"]I wish you were right. I have a knack at correctly reading social, political, financial signs. I have watched the nation and many people that I know tie themselves in debt, loose fortunes despite warnings from me: I am thinking of divorcing myself from reality and turning to playing video games fulltime. Maybe you could introduce me to a few? [/COLOR]

[Sensor]

I wonder why Greece is in so much trouble inspite of having smallest debt. Is it a case of bigger the better ? Perhaps we can compare it with the fate of developers & common man in this country. Ones who borrow billions are off the hook easily by banks. A home owner with a mortgage is pursued to the end if he/she can't repay.

[WTTR]

I wonder why Greece is in so much trouble inspite of having smallest debt. Is it a case of bigger the better ? Perhaps we can compare it with the fate of developers & common man in this country. Ones who borrow billions are off the hook easily by banks. A home owner with a mortgage is pursued to the end if he/she can't repay.

The home owner should be the first to be rescued. They owe c.€80bn more than they should. Their mortgages should be reduced by this amount. They would then spend the savings on other essentials i.e. having kids etc. VAT of 21% is collected each time they buy something. The State would get back over €1bn each year from VAT alone. The extra spending would be a great fillip to internal trade. There would be:

• Less businesses closing down
• The flow back for businesses and State Revenue extents for the next 25 to thirty years
• Less unemployment
• Property would begin to sell, thereby rescuing the billionaires
• More revenue for State from PAYE, PRSI, C/T etc
• Enable businesses and people pay down their Credit Card Debt etc
• Confidence that we would dig ourselves out of the financial hole would be much greater.
• The extra spending would provide the extra business working capital, which the banks won't lend
• Business activity would be increased; giving a much better chance that our International Lenders get their money back without subjecting the Irish people to unnecessary financial hardship.
• The people rescued from financial hardship would be much greater than the few billionaire borrowers, with overall positive effects on the economy.

However, all this calls for enlightened politicians with vision! Oh! Mother of God, I am watching this nightmare playing out for a full ten years.

Instead we throw public money straight into the International Banking Black Hole and wonder why the banks still have no money.

What's holding our politicians back? Is it the whispers they are hearing from behind closed doors from the likes of Goldman Sachs personnel; the guys that claim they are doing God's bidding on this earth?

So, it’s business as usual, then, regardless of whether it makes most people howl at the moon with rage? Goldman Sachs, this pillar of the free market, breeder of super-citizens, object of envy and awe will go on raking it in, getting richer than God? An impish grin spreads across Blankfein’s face. Call him a fat cat who mocks the public. Call him wicked. Call him what you will. He is, he says, just a banker "doing God’s work http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...fset=36&page=4"

[eoghanacht]

This country is now in massive debt as a result of the discarding of religious principles

Stupidest line i have ever read on P.ie, and thats saying something.