Ireland's "low paid" whingers: our low paid are actually over paid!

[cyberianpan]

Labour promise massive 31% increase in minimum wage - so what about Ireland?

The Daily Mirror reports a huge 31% increase in the minimum wage is at the centre of Gordon Brown's re-election bid.

This would bring it up to £7.60 being €8.60.

Of course the UK is an historically richer country than us, and have had left wing government there for over a decade.

So what say all the whingers here to the fact that our minimum wage is already €8.65

The Polish minimum wage is less than €2.50 p/h

Ireland's low paid are way overpaid... and Bair Horan got special concessions for our low paid civil servants - those on salaries of under €35,000 per year... yet our median wage is in fact €25,000 per year and those earners only pay 4% tax !

RTÉ News: Cowen happy with outcome of pay talks

Speaking on News At One, Blair Horan, General Secretary of the CPSU, which represents lower paid civil and public service workers, said the union achieved a platform for the restoration of pay to those earning under €35,000 a year.

A little quiz on Ireland’s income tax | Ronan Lyons

It’s in the middle, though, where things seem to go all screwy. The median earner, earning about €25,000, paid just 4% in income tax!

Also in the Public Sector - two ESRI Public v Private survey's - one using the established practice of "human capital" comparisons- the other comparing like jobs - both found the massive premium was at the lower end of the sacle

http://www.esri.ie/publications/late...ex.xml?id=2848

Sept 2009
The results indicate that the public sector pay premium increased dramatically from 9.7 to 21.6 per cent between 2003 and 2006. Furthermore, we found that by 2006 senior public service workers earned almost 8 per cent more than their private sector counterparts, while those in lower-level grades earned between 22 and 31 per cent more.

http://www.esri.ie/publications/sear...ex.xml?id=2864

Oct 2009
This paper provides a sub-sectoral analysis of changes in the public-private sector pay gap in Ireland between 2003 and 2006. We find that between March 2003 and October 2006 the public sector pay premium increased from 14 to 26 per cent and that there was substantial variation between subsectors of the public service

There is a false poverty indistry in Ireland- a bunch of moaning whingers who think they are entitled to everything. The truth is that our lowly paid are overpaid and undertaxed- and until this is addressed we will continue to bleed jobs to abroad


cYp

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Labour Left Wing? Labour government was more neo liberal and right wing than John Major's Conservative party.

Ireland Gross National Income PPP per capita is now 40th. The minimum wage in other country's goes a lot further than here.

Anyhow if our incompetent government stayed out of the 65% state run economy, the minimum wage would not be an issue.

[hammer]

The minimum wage will not be touched until 2012. Just after the next election.

€8.65 is a "FAIR" minimum wage. The paye allowance that self employed people do not get should be reduced to €1,500 - it might result in some workers paying a little tax.

[LeDroit]

50% of workers pay no tax. A further 15% are net gainers from the state, ie they get more from child support/med card/rent supp than they pay in tax. We need to share the load. When 4% of the population pay 45% of all income tax there's something wrong. And being beholden to such a small group our taxtake can (and has) collapse if they suffer a decrease in income.

You're 'entitled' to nothing if you don't contribute to the pot.

[MPB]

Now compare our food costs, energy costs, health care costs, GP costs, Out patient costs, Public Transport costs, Council rates, Legal costs, Mortgage costs, to Britain and then engage the brain.

Now post again.

[paxtime]

Labour promise massive 31% increase in minimum wage - so what about Ireland?

The Daily Mirror reports a huge 31% increase in the minimum wage is at the centre of Gordon Brown's re-election bid.

This would bring it up to £7.60 being €8.60.

Of course the UK is an historically richer country than us, and have had left wing government there for over a decade.

So what say all the whingers here to the fact that our minimum wage is already €8.65

The Polish minimum wage is less than €2.50 p/h

Ireland's low paid are way overpaid... and Bair Horan got special concessions for our low paid civil servants - those on salaries of under €35,000 per year... yet our median wage is in fact €25,000 per year and those earners only pay 4% tax !

RTÉ News: Cowen happy with outcome of pay talks


A little quiz on Ireland’s income tax | Ronan Lyons


There is a false poverty indistry in Ireland- a bunch of moaning whingers who think they are entitled to everything. The truth is that our lowly paid are overpaid and undertaxed- and until this is addressed we will continue to bleed jobs to abroad


cYp

And you an your pals are a bunch of selfish, uncivilised individuals who seem to want services and facilities without having to pay for them. The idea that our low-paid are overpaid is refuted by all reputable research whereas your self-seeking opinionated nonsense doesn't bear a moment's scrutiny. The position this country finds itself is entirely the responsibilty of a bunch of avaricious gangsters and gamblers many of whom have now fled abroad with their ill-gotten gains.

[Congalltee]

What political party is going to cut the minimum wage?
Coughlan did allow an inability to pay clause apply.
A very small percentage of workers are on the minimum wage, so changing it would make very difference to the economy, but would be a huge change for those on it, who could get by on social welfare.

[dunno]

Some of the very wealthiest have enjoyed considerable advantages through the use of state resources to their advantage, be they worthless, criminal, scum-sucking, anti-social, traitorous banksters, certain builders and a good number of very well connected businessmen, like Mister Ginger Hair-Piece aka Donie Cassidy, and most obviously Seán Quinn who used reserves of Quinn Direct money (which he was not meant to touch) on his Anglo-Irish loonery. The work of a cleaner is of far more benefit and worth to the mass of people than a bankster who might pay a good deal of income tax, but in reality is destroying wealth, not creating it.

[LeDroit]

And you an your pals are a bunch of selfish, uncivilised individuals who seem to want services and facilities without having to pay for them. The idea that our low-paid are overpaid is refuted by all reputable research whereas your self-seeking opinionated nonsense doesn't bear a moment's scrutiny. The position this country finds itself is entirely the responsibilty of a bunch of avaricious gangsters and gamblers many of whom have now fled abroad with their ill-gotten gains.

Want services and facilities without paying for them? That's 65% of the workforce. No pay, no say.

[toxic avenger]