Which of these would be sackable offences in your job?

[patslatt]

So you disagree with workers standing up for their rights. You think it's ok for an employer to have the ability to expolit their staff and bully them into submission? I hope to God that you never have to suffer at the bottom of the food chain in a company because with some companies without a union you will be chewed up and spat out again by your employer

The cabin crew are in denial about the reality of competition in airlines,under the illusion maybe that they still are a semi-state. Costs must be cut or else Aer Lingus is out of business. The choice is to keep jobs that pay less but are still reasonably well paid and,for technical staff and pilots,still highly paid-or to have no job at all. The intensity of competition and international airline bankruptcies suggest Aer Lingus has no room for concessions on wage cuts.

[Pabilito]

Hi,

I quoted this in January I think - on a thread about
http://www.politics.ie/economy/12279...ml#post2412492

Ok, fair enough.

However, Jail or bankruptcy won't plug the hole in the finances. We need ideas and/or solutions - no 1 solution will solve this problem.

Therefore as parts of the solution and until the economic situation improves:-
1. Cut PS pay but ONLY once only - an annual cut is just not on!
2. Stop bailing out Anglo as part of the solution - - let the market decide!! it's the 2nd biggest issue after NAMA
3. Rescind the NAMA legislation - it's flawed and is being enacted to look after Bankers and Developers only. Can you see NAMA taking on people whose Mortgage is in arrears??
3. Either fully nationalise or let the "High Street" banks go about their own business independently of public funds - the way we're doing it at present will keep a drip feed of public money flowing into the banks with no way of cutting it off.

4. Factor in Tax from Shell - all cosy deals are off until the economic situation improves
5. Close the Seanad until the economic sitaution improves
6. Remove many of the Quangos (yes, I know they are PS, but they were set up by the current government to look after friends by giving them jobs for life) until the economic situation improves.
7. Remove all unvouched expenses from TDs - they're the only people in the World afaik who have this facility
8. Cap all Salaries of anyone in the PS at 250,00 including doctors, barristers, CEOs including performance bonuses

10. Slap on a Wealth tax for any Priv Sector employee earning more than 250,000 per annum, including CEOs.

9. Get the higher paid PS strokers who recently pulled a fast one to have their percentage pay reduced by only 3%

11. Rescind the tax breaks on Horse Racing stud fees - its a rich persons tax break
12. Rescind the public money paid to Horse Racing Ireland for the "prize money" at Racing events - it's around 30 million in PUBLIC Funds every year - and this goes to enormously wealthy people at present!
13. Put a 1 cent tax on Text messages.

Any other ideas? every little helps..!!

OK, Hands up, it's not a bad plan.. apart from the quarter million cap on PS pay.. surely 125K would be loads?.. Who needs more than 125K to live on?

[patslatt]

Absolutely. Workers have rights under statute. These are law for a reason. Anything less than this is tantamount to slave labour. People should treat their employees with the respect they deserve.

If PS workers get away with the the list of industrial actions listed in the opening post,they will undermine and sabotage government services over time at no cost to themselves. This could go on for years,as the economy slowly recovers from depression. Should the government stand idly by and allow this or should it toughen the existing soft labour laws to protect the public interest in maintaining good services? For example,should it introduce the fear of the sack,a highly motivating factor as any private sector worker can tell you.

[uriah]

If PS workers get away with the the list of industrial actions listed in the opening post,they will undermine and sabotage government services . This could go on for years,as the economy slowly recovers from depression. Should the government stand idly by and allow this or should it toughen the existing soft labour laws to protect the public interest in maintaining good services? For example,should it introduce the fear of the sack,a highly motivating factor as any private sector worker can tell you.

Including no.7 in the list?

You think they will 'sabotage government services over time at no cost to themselves' if they refuse to provide and use their own phones, laptops and cameras' for work purposes?

Have you read what you posted in the op?

[patslatt]

Any of the following sackable offences?

1. not providing sufficient audit procedures for loans granted to politicians?
2. not providing sufficient audit procedures for loans given to other citizens?
2. not providing sufficient audit procedures for interbank loans?
4. facilitating removal of loans temporarily from balance sheets/hiding loans from end of year accounts?
5. failure to properly regulate the irish financial systems?
6. failure to investigate/sack politicians who have lied under oath, abused expenses claims, misled the Dail/ behaved inappropriately
7. inferring that a bank which is NOT systemic, needs to be saved because it IS systemic? Would that constitute misleading the Dail/the public?

i think the 20 to 30 billion that is being given away to financial institutions here is of more relevance than this thread - but hey, public bash away. Don't try to find out where the REAL criminals are - do you work for SIPO/FF by the way?

Politicians can well afford to borrow on their Celtic Tiger huge salaries and gold plated pensions,which makes them a good quality loan risks.

Bankers tend to go crazy when interest rates are very low and money is readily available,many abandoning prudent lending for greedy, bonus based,silly, aggressive lending.

Light touch regulation was the order of the day and it helped attract international financial companies but unfortunately it allowed our Irish banks to commit financial suicide. A case could be made that Anglo Irish Bank was systemic as it was involved in loan syndicates with other Irish banks and owed huge sums to other banks in interbank loans. So maybe it could have brought down the whole house of cards that banking systems tend to be,given the highly interdependent nature of interbank lending that was illustrated in the Lehman Brothers crash.

[patslatt]

That sucks. You should join a union.

Competition doesn't allow unionisation in many industries. THe cost of union wage demands coupled with delays in introducing changes to work practices would put many companies out of business.

[macdarawhitfield]

Competition doesn't allow unionisation in many industries. THe cost of union wage demands coupled with delays in introducing changes to work practices would put many companies out of business.

Crikey.So how come all the capitalists are in unions like IBEC and ISME? This lack of competition must be crippling.Maybe someone should tell the poor lambs.

[hiding behind a poster]

For example,should it introduce the fear of the sack,a highly motivating factor as any private sector worker can tell you.

The problem with that is that you risk politicising the public sector - as TDs and particularly Ministers would be able to force public sector workers to do things they shouldn't do, for the Minister's political benefit, by threatening them with the sack. Its basically "do you want a pint or a transfer" being applied to employment.

[Conor]

THe cost of union wage demands coupled with delays in introducing changes to work practices would put many companies out of business.

If a company can't afford to pay people to work, those people shouldn't feel obliged to work. Fair's fair, right?

[patslatt]

Hi,

I quoted this in January I think - on a thread about
http://www.politics.ie/economy/12279...ml#post2412492

Ok, fair enough.

However, Jail or bankruptcy won't plug the hole in the finances. We need ideas and/or solutions - no 1 solution will solve this problem.

Therefore as parts of the solution and until the economic situation improves:-
1. Cut PS pay but ONLY once only - an annual cut is just not on!
2. Stop bailing out Anglo as part of the solution - - let the market decide!! it's the 2nd biggest issue after NAMA
3. Rescind the NAMA legislation - it's flawed and is being enacted to look after Bankers and Developers only. Can you see NAMA taking on people whose Mortgage is in arrears??
3. Either fully nationalise or let the "High Street" banks go about their own business independently of public funds - the way we're doing it at present will keep a drip feed of public money flowing into the banks with no way of cutting it off.

4. Factor in Tax from Shell - all cosy deals are off until the economic situation improves
5. Close the Seanad until the economic sitaution improves
6. Remove many of the Quangos (yes, I know they are PS, but they were set up by the current government to look after friends by giving them jobs for life) until the economic situation improves.
7. Remove all unvouched expenses from TDs - they're the only people in the World afaik who have this facility
8. Cap all Salaries of anyone in the PS at 250,00 including doctors, barristers, CEOs including performance bonuses

10. Slap on a Wealth tax for any Priv Sector employee earning more than 250,000 per annum, including CEOs.

9. Get the higher paid PS strokers who recently pulled a fast one to have their percentage pay reduced by only 3%

11. Rescind the tax breaks on Horse Racing stud fees - its a rich persons tax break
12. Rescind the public money paid to Horse Racing Ireland for the "prize money" at Racing events - it's around 30 million in PUBLIC Funds every year - and this goes to enormously wealthy people at present!
13. Put a 1 cent tax on Text messages.

Any other ideas? every little helps..!!

Lots of envy,jealousy and begrudgery above.

The horse racing industry probably wouldn't survive without tax breaks but it pays back the taxman to an extent by creating attractions for tourism,including internal tourism (better to keep us at home from the Costas). This is a choice most Irish people would agree with,given the traditional Irish fondness for horses. France tried taxing horse breeding and the industry disappeared.

A wealth tax is terribly inefficient and difficult to collect. It encourages people to invest in wasteful wealth that can't be traced,such as expensive art and diamonds.

NAMA has bolted the stable. Maybe the government should have guaranteed only ringfenced new loans to recapitalise banks to allow them to continue functioning and guaranteed small depositor accounts and possibly offered some partial compensation to lenders suffering from loan defaults in Irish banks. But Minister Lenihan had little time to make a decision that would keep the banks open and he took the professional advice he was given by international financial experts.