Why aren't we out on the streets protesting the increase in retirement age?

[ifreannach]

There's currently a shortfall because the government spends like it was 2006 while the economy is back in 2002. The "bailouts" don't form part of the deficit at all.

There'll be a future shortfall because there'll be one pensioner for every two workers. This is clearly not sustainable unless you have some great ideas for how to radically improve productivity. I'm guessing you don't.

you gamble much sharper ?

im guessing i do, if you want to discuss with pm me, dont equate me with your negativity, lol, did i just type that.

the shortfall is a combination of high wages, scroungers and unions...am i missing anything.

so the banks getting 7billion of us is not the problem? nama endebting our future generations is not contributing to the deficit ? theres the future for you

increase productivity by.........pm me, i wont bite

[sharper]

so the banks getting 7billion of us is not the problem? nama endebting our future generations is not contributing to the deficit ? theres the future for you

In terms of the current deficit neither NAMA or bailouts are the problem. The bailouts came from the NPRF.

I'm not at all interested in PMing you.

[ibis]

Also, we obviously need to divert the money to education.

[realist]

How pathetic and cowardly are Irish people to stand back and watch this government screw us over again? If this happened in any other country there would be massive strikes.

There have been protests in Spain, France, The Netherlands, Greece and Slovenia (and possibly more EU countries) in protest against this EU wide proposal which aims to increase the average pension age by 5 years by 2010.

Pension age change causes protests in Spain
French pensioners protest against age rise | WORLD News
AFP: Dutch workers protest pending retirement age rise
Greece to suffer fresh strikes over pensions | Mediterranean > Greece from AllBusiness.com
Slovenians in mass protest over wages, retirement | World | Reuters

[Murra]

Its not funny. We don't have money to continue this.

Funny, but we have 54 BILLION to bail out the bankers and the developers?

[Murra]

How do they manage aged 63, 64 and 65? What's so magical about the age 66 they can't possibly be expected to work?

Not everybody can manage till 63, 64, 65. Thats why some people take early retirement. Thats fine, if it's BY CHOICE. It's also fine if they want to work up until 75, BY CHOICE.

[toughbutfair]

Funny, but we have 54 BILLION to bail out the bankers and the developers?

It is silly to use that as an excuse for everyting. Oh, we are borrowing that money by the way.

[toughbutfair]

lol, sharper, do you have the land to cultivate ? i dont, i dont even have the money to buy a plot of land and i work!! come to think of it i dont own the house i live in either.

we all consume things produced by others, do you not know ur history ?

reality is a ******************** for you sharper, people dont live as long as they wish and i doubt they ever will, however after paying taxes to incompetent and corrupt governments for 40+yrs the least you should expect is to be shown a bit of respect and allowed to enjoy the twilight of your life....or would you not agree ? as for living longer, i feel murra hit the nail on the head.

20 years is hardly twilight, it is about 1/4 of your life. You don't work for the first 1/4, now you dont' want to work for the last 1/4. Where is this magic money?

[Murra]

It is silly to use that as an excuse for everyting. Oh, we are borrowing that money by the way.

That is, and always will be, the reason why we have no money for anything else in this country, for you, your children and your grandchildren.

[toughbutfair]

That is, and always will be, the reason why we have no money for anything else in this country, for you, your children and your grandchildren.

We are spending 25bn more than we make - that is EXCLUDING NAMA so even if there was no NAMA how would we pay for people to give up work for 20 years?