Why aren't we out on the streets protesting the increase in retirement age?

[ifreannach]

Life expectancy has increased by 10 years in last 50 years.

Can you accept that a reasonable extrapolation from this would be that your average 68 year old is in better shape than 50 years ago?

Can you accept that on average, people's health doesn't go over a cliff from the age 65 to 68?

i can accept that, what i cant accept is raising the age or retirement when there are 400k+ unemployed

[ifreannach]

You still haven't made a point. If we only work half our lifetime, where does the money come to pay for the other half?

my point is there are 400k+ unemployed and we expect the pensioners to keep working to keep these people out of work. the money is never there yet we expect the next generation to find it

[ibis]

my point is there are 400k+ unemployed and we expect the pensioners to keep working to keep these people out of work. the money is never there yet we expect the next generation to find it

The retirement age isn't being raised immediately. Changes are being phased in over the next 20-30 years:

Under the plans, the State pension age will rise to 66 in 2014, to 67 in 2021 and finally to 68 in 18 years time.

[ifreannach]

The retirement age isn't being raised immediately. Changes are being phased in over the next 20-30 years:

thats even worse ffs, all the uncertainty today and they are planning for the future. is this the twilight zone ? they managed to indebt our children and are also making sure they are kept enslaved for longer.

[paulp]

thats even worse ffs, all the uncertainty today and they are planning for the future. is this the twilight zone ? they managed to indebt our children and are also making sure they are kept enslaved for longer.

so we should stop planning for the future?

[ifreannach]

so we should stop planning for the future?

you call indebting future generations and enslaving them for longer in the system plans ? would you agree bad plans so the people that have made these plans should stop making plans
really stupid question by the way

[ibis]

thats even worse ffs, all the uncertainty today and they are planning for the future. is this the twilight zone ? they managed to indebt our children and are also making sure they are kept enslaved for longer.

Riiight. Goodness me, is that the time?

[toughbutfair]

i can accept that, what i cant accept is raising the age or retirement when there are 400k+ unemployed

But we don't expect 400,000 unemployed for the next 30 years? there was only 100,000 unemployed for most of the last decade.

[paulp]

you call indebting future generations and enslaving them for longer in the system plans ? would you agree bad plans so the people that have made these plans should stop making plans
really stupid question by the way

I must check the definition of slavery again, obviously changed during my afternoon nap.

[soubresauts]

Anyway... returning to the original question, I'll suggest that part of the answer is fluoridation. Ireland is the only democracy in the world with mandatory fluoridation. And fluoride makes people more stupid, more docile, and more aged.