irish economy ideas or dark ages

[absconded]

The country is screwed. I´m not negative by nature, but let´s face reality. As and from probably 6 months ago cash is king. Banks are certainly unsafe. Government is there to gather wealth for the Banks. Services expected in a democratic society are slashed. Give me something rosy about that please.
Oh and €500,000,000 per week is being begged from our rich neighbours to maintain the pretense of a modern society. (They´ll want it back)
Give it 5 years and the HSE or whatever it´s called next will be taken over by the Red Cross. I joke?
My paddypower is on Dark Ages. But they built nice castles back then... Investment in security services opportunity anyone?

[SideysGhost]

*shrugs*

The country is completely corrupt. Populist croneyism and jobs-for-the-boys, paid for (until recently) by get-rich-quick scams and international tax piracy.

There's little point in talking about all the various industries we could and should be building a strong indigenous base in, cos there's not a single arm of the State that is remotely interested in any of that old dangerous subversive talk - keep the peasantry dumb and dependent, that's the ticket, none of that self-sufficiency and Irish-led recovery talk, jaysus ye don't want them getting ideas above their station.

There's little point in talking about how we need to reduce the ridiculous cost level in every sector of the economy - because that would necessarily entail ripping down all the machinery of direct and indirect corrupt supports for protectionism, cartels, rigged markets, incumbent protections and that would seriously piss off the huge section of the populace that trouser a wedge from all these scams.

There's little point talking about the necessary real public sector reforms like shutting down all the quangos and ensuring services are managed and delivered efficiently....cos that's tens of thousands more parasite jobs trousering money at the expense of the wider economy.

The enslavement and exploitation of the younger generation to further enrich the older will simply continue - because far too many people are up to their eyes in FF corruption....and most of the rest want to keep the head down and say nuttin' in the hope that one day they too might earn their place at the trough.

Of course none of this is actually sustainable in the long run and it will collapse eventually.....but until then far too many people think they have far too much to lose by ditching our messed-up brand of patrician aristocratic populism for crazy notions like industry, real wealth generation, self-sufficiency, efficiency, honesty, ethics and hard work.

We're a nation of sly scheming peasant chancers basically, we admire the stroke merchant, the fly boy, the getting-away-with-it Del Boy, the culture of something-for-nothing whatever-yer-having-yerself get-rich-quick-and-the-divil-take-the-hindmost is endemic and deeply engrained - and there's little sign that any of that will change any time soon.

[Raketemensch]

*shrugs*

The country is completely corrupt. Populist croneyism and jobs-for-the-boys, paid for (until recently) by get-rich-quick scams and international tax piracy.

There's little point in talking about all the various industries we could and should be building a strong indigenous base in, cos there's not a single arm of the State that is remotely interested in any of that old dangerous subversive talk - keep the peasantry dumb and dependent, that's the ticket, none of that self-sufficiency and Irish-led recovery talk, jaysus ye don't want them getting ideas above their station.

There's little point in talking about how we need to reduce the ridiculous cost level in every sector of the economy - because that would necessarily entail ripping down all the machinery of direct and indirect corrupt supports for protectionism, cartels, rigged markets, incumbent protections and that would seriously piss off the huge section of the populace that trouser a wedge from all these scams.

There's little point talking about the necessary real public sector reforms like shutting down all the quangos and ensuring services are managed and delivered efficiently....cos that's tens of thousands more parasite jobs trousering money at the expense of the wider economy.

The enslavement and exploitation of the younger generation to further enrich the older will simply continue - because far too many people are up to their eyes in FF corruption....and most of the rest want to keep the head down and say nuttin' in the hope that one day they too might earn their place at the trough.

Of course none of this is actually sustainable in the long run and it will collapse eventually.....but until then far too many people think they have far too much to lose by ditching our messed-up brand of patrician aristocratic populism for crazy notions like industry, real wealth generation, self-sufficiency, efficiency, honesty, ethics and hard work.

We're a nation of sly scheming peasant chancers basically, we admire the stroke merchant, the fly boy, the getting-away-with-it Del Boy, the culture of something-for-nothing whatever-yer-having-yerself get-rich-quick-and-the-divil-take-the-hindmost is endemic and deeply engrained - and there's little sign that any of that will change any time soon.

It's all true. The only thing we can do is keep saying it because most of the people in this sh1thole think it's normal. It should be pointed out that it is not.

[fiannafailure]

Sidey

We're a nation of sly scheming peasant chancers basically, we admire the stroke merchant, the fly boy, the getting-away-with-it Del Boy, the culture of something-for-nothing whatever-yer-having-yerself get-rich-quick-and-the-divil-take-the-hindmost is endemic and deeply engrained - and there's little sign that any of that will change any time soon.

Maybe they are putting special fluoride in the water because that attitude is not present when we leave these shores

[KongMing]

Our future is in the hands of our students, we must teach them well

There is your answer...kind of. Don't think of these students as hormone riddled adolescents, but think of all of us as students. The property bubble and its "spectacular" bursting shows us that our over-dependence on a single economic driver was foolish. The way forward must be to diversify.

We need to train all of our current and future unemployed to do new and different tasks. Back to basics. Think ANCO, or the early days of Fas.

We must do our best to concentrate our talent on all sectors of our economy.

I fear that all the polarity on these forums about the green agenda and eco-mentalism, deniers and believers, blah, blah etc, coupled with the "smart economy" crapola is narrowing our horizons. Nobody ever said that the only things that Ireland should be doing are producing carbon neutral energy and silicon chips.

Remember the things that pulled us through in the 80's? Irish products, developed and manufactured by Irish people - Kerrygold, Ballygowan, Waterford Crystal, Irish Wool, Guinness, Irish Distillers. Our agricultural and seafood sector helped us dig out as well.

The multi-nationals came because of our attractive tax breaks, but they stayed because we had a skilled and educated workforce.

Sure, things are different and times have changed, but we should return to fundamentals.

My two cents.

[fionnmccool]

But renewable energy has a drawback, it is intermittant and the wind does does not always blow at the times we need it. Big problem, not really, Mother Nature also provided us with natural sites for pumped hydro storage reservoirs, so when the wind blows we use the electricity generated by wind turbines or a little way into the future, wave generators, to pump seawater into a hanging glacial valley, across the mouth of which we have built a dam, and when we need the electricity, we allow this water to flow back down the cliff via water turbines, to generate as much electricity as we need, when we need it. To explain the process visually take a luck at this link. Spirit of Ireland - National Project for Energy Independence

Renewable energy has the great advantage that once we have repaid the capital cost of the turbines, the fuel is free.

Slight problem here is where do we get the money to build all this green infrastructure ? And how much cash is required for it ? Has it been costed ? We can barely borrow enough money to keep the country afloat as it is. We not only do not have the money but nobody has it to lend.

[politicaldonations]

Heres a song that will be all too relevant to young private sector workers in years to come.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8pWCoqxvrA"]YouTube- 09. Missing You (HD)[/ame]

[fiannafailure]

Slight problem here is where do we get the money to build all this green infrastructure ? And how much cash is required for it ? Has it been costed ? We can barely borrow enough money to keep the country afloat as it is. We not only do not have the money but nobody has it to lend.

fionnmccool

Phase one, one seawater pumped storage unit, 800 million. 1800MW of wind plus wiring, 2.5 billion. All of it private sector and financed from the international capital markets.

[smartjon]

irish economy ideas or dark ages

Biodiversity could save Ireland, by getting agreement with NI, and having an all island policy, the motion could be pushed in Europe for special status for the country as a whole. The policy would be initiated to create the same import restrictions on organic produce as Australia, the reason it could be sold to Europe is that Total consumption or commercial expenditure of the country would only equate to that of one large European city such as Paris Berlin, Birmingham, The loss in trade to eu countries would be minimal, as 50 % of organic produce imported in the Ireland comes from outside the EU, Africa. The policy would sustain a seed and breed quality distinct from our European counterparts as would be evolved over time. The enactment of such a policy would counteract the reduction in farm subsidies as envisaged. It would turn the country’s export deficit in to an overwhelming profit. It would create 300,000 jobs within 3 years. Rather than 200 trucks coming from the port, 200 would be going to the port. If it was that some disease or virus was to affect Europe’s crop, livestock or fowl population, Ireland would be the resource for new stock. This would not only create a new era in cross Border Corporation, it would encourage a new emphasis on protecting the land, the environment and water, to the extent of reducing or prohibiting the amount of chemicals , phosphates or even overruling the recent incinerator policies, the locations of same can have unforeseen implications for future generations, in that the weather patterns imply that toxins generated by these incinerators will be evenly dispersed throughout the land.

[charley]

irish economy ideas or dark ages

Biodiversity could save Ireland, by getting agreement with NI, and having an all island policy, the motion could be pushed in Europe for special status for the country as a whole. The policy would be initiated to create the same import restrictions on organic produce as Australia, the reason it could be sold to Europe is that Total consumption or commercial expenditure of the country would only equate to that of one large European city such as Paris Berlin, Birmingham, The loss in trade to eu countries would be minimal, as 50 % of organic produce imported in the Ireland comes from outside the EU, Africa. The policy would sustain a seed and breed quality distinct from our European counterparts as would be evolved over time. The enactment of such a policy would counteract the reduction in farm subsidies as envisaged. It would turn the country’s export deficit in to an overwhelming profit. It would create 300,000 jobs within 3 years. Rather than 200 trucks coming from the port, 200 would be going to the port. If it was that some disease or virus was to affect Europe’s crop, livestock or fowl population, Ireland would be the resource for new stock. This would not only create a new era in cross Border Corporation, it would encourage a new emphasis on protecting the land, the environment and water, to the extent of reducing or prohibiting the amount of chemicals , phosphates or even overruling the recent incinerator policies, the locations of same can have unforeseen implications for future generations, in that the weather patterns imply that toxins generated by these incinerators will be evenly dispersed throughout the land.

very good any costings