Sick days - Why are we so sick / lazy

[toughbutfair]

All sick days should be at your own expense ( unless serious health problems ). We need business to regain competitivness not employees catching up on their sleep & golf

I agree. The amount of people that think they can go out for a night and just call in sick (especially nurses from my own experience 5-10 years ago) is unreal.

Serious illness only.

[Harmonica]

Ms Treacy also said that 44 per cent of staff had taken three sick days or fewer, with nearly one-quarter not taking any sick days at all.

Ms Treacy said that 20 members of staff accounted for 30 per cent of the sick days that were taken.

Even allowing for the fact people with long term disabilities are included in the numbers it seems like the system is being abused by a minority.

Where I work you need doctors cert after 2 days but I can think of very few situations this was used. After 7 uncertified days the remainder are unpaid and only 1 person using that because of drink related sickies.

I think in large bureaucracies sickies are more likely. There is nothing worse than seeing someone clearly abuse the system with sickies to kill staff morale. Good management has to be seen to act.

[turdsl]

All sick days should be at your own expense ( unless serious health problems ). We need business to regain competitivness not employees catching up on their sleep & golf

I agree any business that is not able to compete should get out,it is pure falsehood saying they are not able to pay the minimum wage, what will they want next people to work voluntary for them

[loaf]

Yeah yeah we should all be doing alot more work for a lot less pay with a lot less time off.

And in whose interest is that? Certainly not the majority of people in Ireland and around the world (who work for a wage).

And by the way there is no statutory requirement to provide sick pay in Ireland.

[Cato]

Yeah yeah we should all be doing alot more work for a lot less pay with a lot less time off.

And in whose interest is that? Certainly not the majority of people in Ireland and around the world (who work for a wage).

And by the way there is no statutory requirement to provide sick pay in Ireland.

True, but some JLCs impose sick pay on businesses.

[DCon]

Doctor's cert process:

Employee: Doc, I'm sick.

Doctor. Ok, what's wrong.

Employee: Bit of a cold/headache/whatever you're having.

Doctor: How long do you need?

Employee: just to tomorrow Doc.

Doctor: Here's your note. Pay EUR XX before you leave.

Employee: Grand job Doc. Thanks.

[slumdog1971]

Totally agree. Also another perk that should be eliminated and come into line with Europe is that in Ireland, when Public Holidays fall on Saturday or Sunday those days are granted on the following Monday and Tuesday. This should be stopped , particularly for Public services. On the continent it is unheard of and rightly so."Luck of the draw".The public are entitled to value for money. Christmas holidays are too long where the average is 2 weeks. We cannot afford that nowadays

I agree but we should introuduce a level playing pitch for all countries of the Eurozone. Since the Germans and the French now own us we should take their holiday entitlements too.

I think that is fair. Excellent idea Immigrant or do you just want to cherry pick the entitlements which suit you most ??

[toughbutfair]

I agree but we should introuduce a level playing pitch for all countries of the Eurozone. Since the Germans and the French now own us we should take their holiday entitlements too.

I think that is fair. Excellent idea Immigrant or do you just want to cherry pick the entitlements which suit you most ??

First builid up one of the strongest economies in the world, then we can kick back like they do.

[martino]

This would be reflected in the average wage

Germans often get a thirteenth month's pay for Christmas-Weihnachtsgeld, and extra money for the holidays-Urlaubsgeld. Those with good employers also get one week's paid work related training or personal development for every two years worked, ie. you can go and do some course and get paid for it. Additionally, employers often pay for a 'Kururlaub' a trip to a spa to unwind for a week. These used to be widespread benefits but are becomming less frequent these days. I'm not sure what the situation in France is like but I do know they get long holidays, and rightly so in my opinion.

[jimbo99]

True, but some JLCs impose sick pay on businesses.

In the company I work for there used to be 3 days sick paid per annum, this was removed last year with total agreement by all the staff to help keep wage reductions to a minimum (10%) and avoid lay offs. Sick days are now unpaid. Since last year sick leave has virtually disappeared. Why can't the government get its act together and take away non statuary sick leave completely from the PS.