Sick days - Why are we so sick / lazy

[collina]

The teacher has gone on a trip for three weeks, she loves her foriegn travel, even during the closure due to the weather she headed of for another city break,

I do teach my children at home, such is the lack of interest in their education at school, I put in 2 hours a night making sure they get thier work done and helping out.

Strangley when they end up in college the teaching profession is quick to take the credit.

But I reckon they are most are only 60% involved, some far less and a few decent ones are definitly well intentioned.

But higher level maths teacher off to foriegn climes, for three weeks, during group cert year, bad news and should be sacked

How do you know the teacher is gone on holidays?

[uriah]

[quote=maxthedog;2437403]

You are tutoring your child for two hours per night for an examination and you do not know the name of that examination?

Constant name changes? The Leaving cert. has been around for as long as I can remember. The 'inter' (intermediate certificate) replaced by the 'Juniour Cert. in the late eighties (it is certainly twenty years old)

Teachers taking three weeks holidays during school term?

All smells a bit fishy to me.

Have you lodged that official complaint?[/QUOT

Will give you the full low down tomorrow evening , all the gory details. Will ask my daughter to check.

Where the teacher is, who has replaced her.Will not name the school or teacher. (would be wrong to drag Pie into any form of libel action.

As for the exam name , I had genuinly thought the name had changed again, had mistaken talk of exam reform and actual exam reform, my appoligies.

Untill tomorrow.

If what you say is the truth, there is no libel, so you can relax.

I look forward to hearing all the details of this story and how you have dealt / intend to deal with this neglect of your daughter's education.

[Baron von Biffo]

BTW, what is 'group cert'?

The group cert used to be the first state exam in the secondary school system. It was held at the end of second year and was almost exclusively confined to 'techs' as it was the minimum standard for entry to apprenticeships. It was abolished sometime in the eighties.

The exam now called as the junior cert used to be known as the intermediate cert.

[irish_bob]

You are tutoring your child for two hours per night for an examination and you do not know the name of that examination?

Constant name changes? The Leaving cert. has been around for as long as I can remember. The 'inter' (intermediate certificate) replaced by the 'Juniour Cert. in the late eighties (it is certainly twenty years old)

Teachers taking three weeks holidays during school term?

All smells a bit fishy to me.

Have you lodged that official complaint?

junior cert 1st appeared in 1992

[hammer]

Fair enough. 12 sick days on average can be justified

Enjoy it whilst it lasts.

[jimbo99]

Our TD's are also public servants. So are judges. They get far more holidays and are paid far more than any other public servant in this country. Why is no-one taking them to task over this? Or is this just a case of bash the fireman/nurse/garda?

This discussion is trying to find out why we are so sick/lazy.
I cannot understand why anyone who is not sickly or lazy should turn the discussion into a private/public division or why they should so vehemently try to protect those that are so lazy. They do exist and are a huge burden on all hard working citizens.
We do have a deficit of 20 billion to find somewhere. It is in everybodies interest to find ways of finding the 20 billion. Encouraging people to reduce their sickies is definately a good starting point.
If everyone was restricted to being paid the amount paid on disability benefit and subjected to the same scrutiny (not just producing a note from a hard pressed overworked doctor who can possibly be fooled by a 10 minute "pulling the wool over their eyes excerise") then those who are genuinely not sick and who abuse the system could be weeded out.

[gatsbygirl20]

So all public servants are happier in their jobs because they have a caring employer that allows excessive sick days Fair enough.

And you show your appreciation by going on a go slow

Post totally misunderstood. Teachers do not take "excessive" sick days. Because of the impossibility of leaving large groups of teenagers unsupervised, there is a "the show must go on" attitude among teachers, who feel they must show up at all costs.

But, yes, "caring" employers, who win the loyalty and respect of their workforce, will have less absenteeism, whether they are in the public or private sector.

Your "go slow" (sic) point is a separate issue, and an example of how arguments against the PS tend to jump their sprockets.

Even if it were found that no teacher in the history of the profession had ever taken sick leave, the argument would leap to...benchmarking...what about the 3 months holidays....I knew a teacher who did no work...etc etc

Despite the PS paycuts, raking over the pay and conditions of PS workers, and spreading negative anecdotes about them has become a lazy, self-indulgent habit which probably brings its own comfort in these hard times. But people need to stop picking that sore. They are definitely making at least one PS worker pretty sick, which can't be good for "competitiveness", going forward......

[hammer]

Post totally misunderstood. Teachers do not take "excessive" sick days. Because of the impossibility of leaving large groups of teenagers unsupervised, there is a "the show must go on" attitude among teachers, who feel they must show up at all costs.

But, yes, "caring" employers, who win the loyalty and respect of their workforce, will have less absenteeism, whether they are in the public or private sector.

Your "go slow" (sic) point is a separate issue, and an example of how arguments against the PS tend to jump their sprockets.

Even if it were found that no teacher in the history of the profession had ever taken sick leave, the argument would leap to...benchmarking...what about the 3 months holidays....I knew a teacher who did no work...etc etc

Despite the PS paycuts, raking over the pay and conditions of PS workers, and spreading negative anecdotes about them has become a lazy, self-indulgent habit which probably brings its own comfort in these hard times. But people need to stop picking that sore. They are definitely making at least one PS worker pretty sick, which can't be good for "competitiveness", going forward......

Apologies, good post.

Well also, maybe get your PS union officials and some of you PS workers to stop blaming the private sector for all our ills

[gatsbygirl20]

Apologies, good post.

Well also, maybe get your PS union officials and some of you PS workers to stop blaming the private sector for all our ills

Thank you. I personally do not automatically "blame the private sector", if by private sector you mean ordinary workers or struggling owners of small businesses. You make the important point on another thread that many small business owners are left without any state support. I have family members facing that. PS workers are very aware of the terrible hits being taken out there, (This PS worker is also aware of private sector workers who have taken no hit, some of these in my own family also)

But we naturally feel beleaguered and under siege as attack follows attack. We thought that having thrown the baying mob the chunk of red meat represented by deep wage cuts, the beast might have lain down. But we are bracing ourselves for yet more cuts, and "reforms", which, you can be sure, once conceded , will not be the right reforms, or enough reforms. It will be like the pay cuts all over again.

[maxthedog]

[quote=uriah;2437419]

If what you say is the truth, there is no libel, so you can relax.

I look forward to hearing all the details of this story and how you have dealt / intend to deal with this neglect of your daughter's education.

As promised

The maths teacher is still missing, she told the girls she was taking a holiday and that was 3 weeks ago.

the Irish teacher was a no show, though she was spotted Sunday in a shopping centre.

The CPSE teacher also on the missing list, again spotted Sunday by some of the classmates,

So there you have it a random day, three teachers from third year class missing.