Energy cartels in Ireland

[fiannafailure]

Your approximations and averages are wrong - very wrong.
Are you using figures from 2008 or early 2009?

Sloppy

I admit the last time I did the calculation was August 2009, If you can correct the average in a positive way I will be delighted, honestly delighted

[Gnome Chomsky]

I have lost all faith in our Public Sector Management and I am now of the belief that if our Semi States and some of our Public Services were fully privatised

I'm a bit confused. The government is forbidding the ESB to compete. Are you blaming the ESB for this? How would privatising improve things?

[imokyrok]

It's the classic issue of "better the devil you know"
We're not used to competition here.
Certainly there's a massive amount of churn in the commercial market.

The ESB have always been relaxed about customers who get behind. Once they see you paying of something they don't hassle you with phonecalls, texts, etc like some utilities companies do. I'd say people are nervous about making the change in such uncertain times.

[fiannafailure]

The ESB have always been relaxed about customers who get behind. Once they see you paying of something they don't hassle you with phonecalls, texts, etc like some utilities companies do. I'd say people are nervous about making the change in such uncertain times.

And it is not good to have all of your energy sourced from the same company, hence my OP question, how does three state companies provide a real competitive market. And the ESB, Bord Gais and coming up fast, Bord na Mona are the dominant players in electricity and from later this year, gas.

[imokyrok]

And it is not good to have all of your energy sourced from the same company, hence my OP question, how does three state companies provide a real competitive market. And the ESB, Bord Gais and coming up fast, Bord na Mona are the dominant players in electricity and from later this year, gas.

Are airtricity independent? and do they get their energy from renewable sources or is it much the same as the others?

[fiannafailure]

Are airtricity independent? and do they get their energy from renewable sources or is it much the same as the others?

Airtricity are independendent of Irish semi states, they were at one time an Irish company, but are now owned by Scottish and Southern, a UK energy company. S and S bought Airtricity primarily for their windfarms but have recently given the company responsibility for building a large renewable energy business throughout Europe.

Sometimes 100% of their electricity is renewable in origin, sometimes they have to top up from the general pool, this is the main reason that they, through Scottish and Southern, are developing a large amount of pumped storage reservoirs in Scotland.

Renewable energy needs pumped storage, just as underarms need deodorant, you can do without it, but it is not a good idea

[MPB]

I'm a bit confused. The government is forbidding the ESB to compete. Are you blaming the ESB for this? How would privatising improve things?

The ESB is a Govt. agency. The energy regulator is a Govt. agency. The competitors are
either Govt. agencies or Govt. preferred companies.

At the minute we have competition controlled by a monopoly ( Govt.). My opinion is that losing the STATE part of this competition would create a real competitive environment.

[neiphin]

The ESB is a Govt. agency. The energy regulator is a Govt. agency. The competitors are
either Govt. agencies or Govt. preferred companies.

At the minute we have competition controlled by a monopoly ( Govt.). My opinion is that losing the STATE part of this competition would create a real competitive environment.

you didnt really study this did you

[MPB]

you didnt really study this did you

Go on clever arse, enlighten me.

[fiannafailure]

Go on clever arse, enlighten me.

I am looking forward to the answer too