Good luck to the PS workers.

[Baron von Biffo]

And hence also not taxed.

Tax relief can only be granted on tax actually paid.

They're not being paid so it amounts to a 100% tax.

[Baron von Biffo]

So I suppose you'd prefer to be paid the 12%, contribute it to the PS scheme with relief at 33%!

If I was a public servant, yes.

Apart from anything else, if BM II had handled the matter fairly the 12% would have been obvious even to the slowest Indo hack so Lenihan wouldn't have been able to hit them again with the so called pension levy.

[Baron von Biffo]

The term "Leech"is used when describing someone who lives off your toil and strife while contributing nothing.

So for three years from the age 65 to 68 a PS worker will live of my sweat.

i think the term is apt. But if you have a different word to describe the above , I can change it.

How do you see the PS worker living off your sweat for 3 years?

[Proposition Joe]

They're not being paid so it amounts to a 100% tax.

They're not being paid "it" because "it" has no existence in reality.

Neither is there any tax paid on "it", and hence no tax relief is applicable.

[Baron von Biffo]

But a garda can retire at 50 on a pension worth 1.2 million , therefore a millionaire.

Arrant nonsense.

[Baron von Biffo]

They're not being paid "it" because "it" has no existence in reality.

Neither is there any tax paid on "it", and hence no tax relief is applicable.

Of course it's real. BM II was charged with setting the appropriate pay levels for PS workers with reference to pay for similar private sector jobs. It docked its awards because of the pension thus imposing a real cost on the worker but treating him/her disadvantageously compared to his/her private sector peer.

[Barnacle]

No, some public sector workers pay PRSI. Only those recruited in the last 15 years.

All Public Servants pay PRSI, pre 1995 are under class B (Modified PRSI) and post 1995 are under class A (Full PRSI).

The salary scales of post 1995 entrants are uplifted to 20/19ths of the salary scale applicable to civil servants in modified PRSI class to cover the additional cost.

[uriah]

No, some public sector workers pay PRSI. Only those recruited in the last 15 years.

And that 24 years stat only applies to a minority of these post-1995ers, the very lowest paid in the civil service.

So you've extrapolated from the situation pertaining to a small minority of the public service and implied this applies to all.

Please tell me which group of public service workers did not pay PRSI before 1995?

[Barnacle]

Please tell me which group of public service workers did not pay PRSI before 1995?

None

[hammer]

And in order to be wealthy, you must be in the private sector. It is impossible to become wealthy in the public sector, even if you make it into the top 0.01% of the pay leagues.

If you manage to make it into the top 0.5% of the private sector, by contrast, you are automatically a millionaire.

By contrast, when you join the public sector, you are turning your back on the chance of professional riches for your entire life.

Dont get me started. Patrick Neary, John Hurley & Roddy Molloy.

The top brass in the HSE are on massive money with very little ability. PS have a huge ability to generate massive money & then sell their services to the private sector as they have the inside track. See some ex HSE top brass working in private co located hospital finance groups.

Wakey Wakey