Good luck to the PS workers.

[toughbutfair]

Could I? How?

If there were no "bosses" then we would have a form of participatory democracy. Thus then, the staff would be the boss and the boss the staff.

You're making little sense.

Of course they produce the money, if we didn't educate and heal people, they wouldn't be able to make any money. Obviously.

Businesses need a hierarchy, I know I'll sound like an oldie, but your lack of work experience shows.

[Herodotus]

ps workers don't generate money though, they are a cost. We need to reduce this cost so either pay them less or make many redundant. Worse service may happen (although plenty waste to cut too) but so be it.

If you want to slash costs and make public servants produce money you'll be charged for ringing an ambulance. Do you want to be attacked by a mugger and then mugged by the 999 guy saying for the police to assist you will cost 100 euro, ambulance an additional 200 euro and any proceeding investigation will cost you thousands.

Thats the type of society you want. Not me and not most of the people here.

[sarahj]

Businesses need a hierarchy, I know I'll sound like an oldie, but your lack of work experience shows.

I have work experience doll - quit making assumptions.

Businesses do not need hierarchy. Plenty of coops demonstrate this. Perhaps YOUR lack of equal power relationships is showing?

[toughbutfair]

lol, try thinking clearly.

PS workers heal and educate, which are the most productive tasks going. They generate money by allowing other people to generate money. Without them we'd be thick and/or dead

Do you think the health service MAKES money for the country by healing people who would otherwise die and then go then go back to work?

If you answer "yes" then it says a lot about your knowledge.

[hammer]

lol, try thinking clearly.

PS workers heal and educate, which are the most productive tasks going. They generate money by allowing other people to generate money. Without them we'd be thick and/or dead

Dont forget PROTECT.

And only the PS heal & educate

[toughbutfair]

I have work experience doll - quit making assumptions.

Businesses do not need hierarchy. Plenty of coops demonstrate this. Perhaps YOUR lack of equal power relationships is showing?

How did communism work out?

[Baron von Biffo]

If you want to slash costs and make public servants produce money you'll be charged for ringing an ambulance. Do you want to be attacked by a mugger and then mugged by the 999 guy saying for the police to assist you will cost 100 euro, ambulance an additional 200 euro and any proceeding investigation will cost you thousands.

Thats the type of society you want. Not me and not most of the people here.

It does highlight the foolishness of the whole 'PS workers generate no income' argument.

[toughbutfair]

If you want to slash costs and make public servants produce money you'll be charged for ringing an ambulance. Do you want to be attacked by a mugger and then mugged by the 999 guy saying for the police to assist you will cost 100 euro, ambulance an additional 200 euro and any proceeding investigation will cost you thousands.

Thats the type of society you want. Not me and not most of the people here.

I'd love a country with tiny government, very low tax and pay for the goods and services you use like roads, gardai, schools, hospitals, jail etc.

[Herodotus]

that is all borrowed - we are spending 25bn more than we make and that excludes NAMA.

THE MONEY ISN'T THERE.

I take that point, as we are borrowing a lot of money. But we are borrowing on the wrong things. Ensuring high wages for our workers ensures more spending is in the economy, that would cost a fraction of the borrowings for NAMA. A stimulus package would also cost a fraction of NAMA borrowings. These would help grow our economy out of the recession rather than cutting.

[toughbutfair]

It does highlight the foolishness of the whole 'PS workers generate no income' argument.

How much of the health service cost is made up of old people who are passed working age? before you claim I say "kill the old" or other such nonsense, my point is that the health service doesn't make money.

Jails don't make money, the cost of the gardai trying to catch the same people over and over again, courts, lawyers etc doesn't make money.