half of Poles have returned home from Britain 'not true', says Polish expert

[Nodin]

I think (.....)assumption.

So you see Nodin, I do think this simple, and as of now still unanswered question, is highly relevant to this discussion.

...if you're a classic right wing anti-semite whose fear of the 'liberal jew' haunts your waking dreams, yes, it probably would be.

As a general observation, those with a fear of others are usual those less secure in their own identity.

[martino]

No fear, or waking dreams here Nodin, just a tentative assumption which may or may not be correct. But hang on a moment, earlier you asked me a question, 'And the relevance if he was/is?', I obliged and provided you with an answer, and your next step is to tell me I'm a classic right-wing anti-semite with identity issues. Now, where is the logic in that? How does that little outburst further discourse?

[Fraxinus_]

Yet Germany can control immigration?

Then Yes we can too

I the political willpower is there.

BTW while most immigrants are from the EU I think observation alone would indicate that about 30/35% of the immigrants are not originally from the EU.

Check here for the huge numbers of immigrants that have arrived here within the last decade

- probably the highest per capita that any State has experienced in modern times!


Ever wonder why other States DO NOT follow this model?


Personal Public Service Numbers -Allocation By Nationality-All Countries 2000-2009PPSNTopicsThe Department of Social and Family Affairs

I know they were by no means the highest but I was still surprised by the amount of French people on that list.

[Twin Towers]

Personal Public Service Numbers -Allocation By Nationality-All Countries

In that list what (or where) is "OTHER" that had 77,200 allocations in '02 and only 685 in '09?

[gnasher]

I think it's very relevant when one considers that Jews promote immigration and multi-culturism wherever they can, except, of course, in Israel. A case in point being TCD sociologist Ronit Lenit, who has expressed the intention that she would like to 'make Ireland less white.' In her capacity as special advisor to Conor Lenihan, minister for Intergration, she exerts inordinate influence in matters relating to immigration policy in Ireland.

I ask out of interest because one's view on immigration to Ireland may be coloured by one's own cultural perspective. I am Irish and my natural sense of attachment and allegience is to this country. I do not believe excessive immigration is in the best interests of this country and I do not want to see its cities going the way of British cities. I do not want to feel alienated in my own country; it is my birthright and priviledge to enjoy living in this land amongst other Irish people. This is my homeland and that is my position.

I also asked because I've seen gnasher use Yiddish phrases in previous posts and, what's more, his dialectic has a persistent, circumlocutory Talmudic timbre to it: vague reasons for extrapolating gnasher may be a professional Jewish multi-culturalist. I am of course entitled to be completely wrong in my assumption.

So you see Nodin, I do think this simple, and as of now still unanswered question, is highly relevant to this discussion.

Toda raba, martino. Madly interesting stuff. After all your efforts I feel I should tell you that you are, as is your entitlement, completely wrong. I'm not Jewish and have no professional involvement in multiculturalism. Ani mitza er.

Talmudically yours,

gnasher

[martino]

Fair enough gnasher, thanks for the straight answer.

Shalom,

martino

[fionnmccool]

Thank God somebody's finally copped on!

The majority of our immigrants come from the EU, we can't control that immigration unless we leave the EU.

Ireland's not going to be leaving the EU anytime soon so, for the very last time, will the anti-immigration brigade learn to accept that fact.

Either dry your eyes and get over it or keep wasting your lives banging on and on about it.

Farewell freaks.

Where any of my posts are concerned, ''anti-immigration'' is not applicable. Labels like that can provocatively reduce grey areas to black and white whereas most of life is actually a grey area. Racism, religion and color of the skin is irrelevant to discussing whats good for the economy. A million Poles, Latvians and Lithuanians or 2 million turks all with no jobs would destroy Ireland and destroy our standard of living even further. We don't have to leave the EU to change how it operates. I've argued before that to protect the economies of small countries in a large open area like the EU, social welfare could be paid from the country of your passport or from a central EU fund. This would force corrupt and incompetent governments to create jobs at home for their own citizens and force them to be responsible. Furthermore this ''anti-immigration brigade'' you refer to would no longer be in a position to call anyone a sponger.

To save time I'll quote my original post in full below :

Those places have a controlled immigration policy. We don't.
They have responsible policies based upon the skills their economy needs and what their economy and society can afford. We don't.
Irelands immigration is left to random chance. Thats a irresponsible policy. This is the insanity I would like to highlight.

Ýou might be happy to get ''one over'' on the ''anti-immigration brigade'' but are you really happy with this irresponsible policy and happy at our lack of control over this ? Do you not agree it is an irresponsible policy ? You seem to be a little too happy at this . I am only concerned with the economy. Are you putting the economy first or what ?

[Son_Of_The_Republic]

England is a "cesspit" and breeding ground for fundamentalist Muslims, the Nobel laureate and political activist Wole Soyinka has said in an interview in which he also accused Britain of allowing the existence of "indoctrination schools".

His extraordinary attack on what he views as Britain's part in fuelling Islamist terrorism was published on the US news and opinion website The Daily Beast. It was coupled with his assertion that the 1989 fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini against Salman Rushdie meant that the assumption of power over life and death had passed "to every *****inconsequential Muslim in the world".

England is 'cesspit' breeding Islamists, says Soyinka | Books | The Guardian

[bob3344]

Voters are deeply pessimistic about the state of Britain today, believing that society is broken and heading in the wrong direction, a Populus poll for The Times has found.

Nearly three fifths of voters say that they hardly recognise the country they are living in, while 42 per cent say they would emigrate if they could.

We're living in broken Britain, say most voters - Times Online