One of the things I notice about politics ie is the way that - when you hand somebody their ass in some thread - they tend to remember you....Not that I remember them.
You must have bought the crystal ball at the same place as Camper.Originally Posted by jtbooker
Not at all,I know you feel somewhat backed into a corner here because your position is one of circular argumentation which is to say no argument at all,hence the rambling defensive angry posts.Let me clarify.
You bring forward a a list of stats that says place A ,according to an indice of factors B - Z is one of the best places to live.Place A also happens to have a high proportion of multi-ethnicitiy ergo M.E. can't be bad and in fact may be the X factor in in why these places are so nice.This is your argument.If it is not your argument than everything you posted up to this point is utterly without point.
I am merely pointing out that having a multiplicity of "cultures" in place A has no bearing on it's economic or social foundations.They are but co-incidental factors.If all the "nice" places happen to multi-ethnic this can only be as a result of the economic pull these places already had.Your argument however is to suggest that ethnic divergence is a factor in their success.I say Bollox.This a circular argument without an logical,socio-economic fundamentals to support such a notion.You have failed to provide a theory in support therefore I can conclude you are struggling,hence the confused nature of your posts.If this not your argument than ,once again,it would appear to be without point within the parametres of a discussion about the socio-impact of mass immigration.
The reality however is that,while these places may have been nice and perhaps in many bland statistical regards still are,the ongoing and ever increasing draw of these places to foreigners is undermining their favorability with the natives.Hence the white flight phenomenon.I can only guess that all your railings against the right-wing conspiratorial sources of info means you don't accept this is happening?
I can gaurantee,once the natives are all gone,these will be places of urban decay and deprivation,Bradfords in the making.No more cinemas and frachino bars and crime will off the radar,as it is in places like Malmo,once a "nice" place to live.
I don't want to see this phenomenon occuring in my home town,as do "most normal people" to coin a Gnasher phrase.
I rest my case.
Last edited by Son_Of_The_Republic; 28th January 2010 at 12:34 PM.
If you'd be as good.....
Wrong again.
.....and again.
Ticks all the boxes except for a reference to some form of coffee.
I really must have hurt your feelings. Or somebody else did and I'm your emotional therapy. The way you keep referring to me as female may be a bit of a slip on your part.
Not having done so myself, I'm going to have to take you at your word on that one.
Did she take the DVD collection when she went or something?
Nothing to see here Gnasher,move along...none of this is happening...
EAST LONDON TORN BY RACIAL TENSIONS - NYTimes.comRelations between the races have long been uneasy in Britain, and nowhere more so than in the borough of Tower Hamlets in east London, an area that encompasses both the glitz of the Canary Wharf office development and the dreariness of block after block of public housing projects. In addition to a its white majority, it has a sizable population of Asian and black people. Racial Attacks Mounting
Muslim community targets racial tension
BBC News | UK | Muslim community targets racial tensionCivic leaders and Asian community representatives are meeting in Manchester to discuss the growing racial anger there
STREET VIOLENCE: Gangs clash: two stabbed - Peterborough TodayThe two men, who are in their late twenties, were injured after a fight broke out between Kurds and Iraqis last night.
Club owner Del Singh arrived in the area shortly after the stabbing incident.
Khan feels racial tension
Khan feels racial tension - Amir Khan GossipWBA light-welterweight champion Amir Khan believes he may be the victim of racial tension in Britain and has claimed he would be a "superstar" if he was white
I thought I was on ignore....hahaha...and people I give you your loon!
Nodin, look back through your 'contributions' to this thread. Pathetic & childish are two words that spring to mind. All you ever seem to do is indulge in name calling or embarrassing attempts at wit. No substance, no effort to contribute anything.
This thread would be better if people stuck to the issues instead of name calling.
No, just cherry picked news stories.
Dealing with your post below, the selection of stories that you've picked to demonstrate the tinder-box that is race in Modern Britain is interesting; a seventeen-year-old article from the New York Times, one from 2001 expressing Muslim unease at racial tension a week after 9/11, one from six years ago in which a group of Kurds and Iraqis had a fight and two people were killed and a story in which Amir Khan speculates that people who booed him in Newcastle last year did so because of bigotry. Earlier on you were using the Brixton riots of 29 years ago to indicate just how bad racial tensions are in Britain today.
Forgive me if I say that I find this laughable. Is that it? I guess not. You can trawl the internet for the rest of your life looking for articles that you feel demonstrate what a "sh!thole" modern Britain has become, posting links to stories from 1993. All I can say is that for people who aren't obsessed with one specific issue, and who are interested in assessing what life in general is like for the average person, a broader range of factors might need to be considered.
In the face of so much evidence that makes a liar of you, you're reduced to saying that criteria like crime levels, personal safety, law enforcement, hospital and medical services, public transport, traffic congestion, schools, public services, pollution and housing have "no bearing on real day to day living" and are "utterly meaningless in terms of the reality of day to day living as I know and experienced first hand".
Then you change your mind and say that YOU (with your fourteen years experience) can speak with absolute authority on all these matters for the eight million people of London.
Then you say that my sources (Mercer's, Economist Intelligence Unit, UN, King's Colleg London, University of Uppsala, US Census etc) are all corrupt and untrustworthy.
And now you say that these factors (crime, health, education, traffic, housing, public services) only reflect a "bland statistical" version of life in these places. It's as if you have some medical condition which means that every time I write the words "crime, health, housing" you see "frappucino, cappucino, swimming-pool".
On the plus side, you'e getting closer to understanding the point that I'm making and the question that I'm asking. When you say that it's something along the lines of "place A ,according to an indice of factors B - Z is one of the best places to live. Place A also happens to have a high proportion of multi-ethnicitiy" that's the first part of it. I'm NOT saying that multi-ethnicity is the cause of that prosperity. I never have. If you want now to start sticking accurately to what I've actually said and give up on inventing my lines for me, you should understand that.
The question I have is that IF, as you and countless other people on this site believe, mass immigration, multi-ethnicity or multiculturalism are so inherently dangerous and damaging to a place, failed philosophies that will drag countries down into the mud leading inevitably to societal ruin and disorder, then WHY are so many such places doing so well?
It's not as if this a new thing. Many, if not most, of these place have been multi-ethnic for generations, and yet measured objectively, the best places to live in the world are countries like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, Germany, France, Holland, Sweden and, let it be said Britain. How can it be that if multi-ethnicity is SO poisonous to a country's well-being, these places have continued to thrive?
Posting links to individual stories of unhappy boxers, an atmosphere of racial tension in the aftermath of 9/11 and whatever raft of new delights you'll present us with now, doesn't change these broad, macro-level realities. If I say that Ireland's road-death rate dropped last year and you say that that's bullsh*t, that you know THREE people who died in crashes in the last six months and the statistics are therefore dodgy, most people would regard you as a nut. It's like Catalpa estimating the number of foreign people in Ireland based on what he sees in Blanchardstown labour office.
OF COURSE, these places have problems and difficulties. Everywhere does. Sadly for dewy-eyed idealists like yourself, there are no Utopias. But if you can maintain a little persepective, you'll understand that modern France and Holland and Britain and Canada are not seething ethnic hellholes but, for the vast majority of people, good places to live. It seems to me that you (and the other prophets of doom) have allowed your own personal experience and prejudices blinker you to the wider realities of life in these places.
Last edited by gnasher; 28th January 2010 at 03:25 PM.
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